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if a divine class grants themselves their class features via their own ideas is their main weapon counted as a favored weapon?


''Clerics are proficient with all simple weapons, light armour, medium armour, and shields (except tower shields). Clerics are also proficient with the favoured weapon of their deities.''

alignment are not deities nor do they have a favoured weapon so the answer is no


John Murdock wrote:

''Clerics are proficient with all simple weapons, light armour, medium armour, and shields (except tower shields). Clerics are also proficient with the favoured weapon of their deities.''

alignment are not deities nor do they have a favoured weapon so the answer is no

ideals not alignments


ideals, alignment, or any other thing that is not call god/goddess/deity the answer is still the same, its not a deity thus you gain no proficiency


1 there's more to favored weapons than proficiency and 2 if the ideal is strong enough to grant spells and every other class feature favored weapons are a valid question to be asking about


the reason why you don't gain proficiency is that you are not part of a organization devoted to that ideals who share common ground like a deity, the reason why its only if you have a deity is the religious person and especially the clergy want to be more like their god and since a god is very real in a fantasy setting they have proof of what the god use and want and since they know the god use that kind of weapon that organization will add to their training the use of that weapon, that's why if the god has unarmed strike as a favoured weapon you gain improved unarmed strike as a bonus feat.

while idea can be a good way to have power it do not have a organization that say those idea like that kind of weapon and since you are part of our organization you must train with those weapon and the like since there can be more than one organization with different idea of what the favoured weapon can be and in pathfinder you don't see organization of cleric dedicated to an idea but to a deity, those who dedicate themself to an idea are rare and are self trained in a way


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Lady-J wrote:
1 there's more to favored weapons than proficiency and 2 if the ideal is strong enough to grant spells and every other class feature favored weapons are a valid question to be asking about

No, it's not. The rules are very clear. "Clerics are also proficient with the favored weapon of their deity." "An inquisitor is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the hand crossbow, longbow, repeating crossbow, shortbow, and the favored weapon of her deity." "A warpriest is proficient with all simple and martial weapons, as well as the favored weapon of his deity," Ideals are not a deity. The one reference not to a deity I can find is instead "with his Hellknight order’s favored weapon,", also not an ideal. In fact, I can't find a reference to "favored weapon" and a divine casting class without "deity" attached to it.

This is, at least in part, because the part you're using (Cleric of an ideal) includes a giant note saying:

Cleric wrote:
As their powers are influenced by their faith, all clerics must focus their worship upon a divine source. While the vast majority of clerics revere a specific deity, a small number dedicate themselves to a divine concept worthy of devotion—such as battle, death, justice, or knowledge—free of a deific abstraction. (Work with your GM if you prefer this path to selecting a specific deity.)

So it's very explicitly "ask your GM". Personally, I'd use Spiritual Weapon (mostly from laziness) and make it Battleaxe/Light Flail/Warhammer/Longsword (C/E/G/L).

Either way, the answer for the rules forum is "work with your GM". And if it's PFS, the answer is no (to playing a Cleric of an ideal at all).


what i'm looking for is for a way a monk/anti paladin to get access to their main weapon as their favored weapon for crusader flurry, said person is also the leader of their own group and gains their anti paladin powers through their own ideals and not a god or a patron they also have the vial leadership feat. but the answer i'm seeing is no official answer totally gm fiat which does make things easier i guess but i prefer to stick to the rules when possible


When you follow a deity you are restricted by which domains you can choose from, and you have to follow a certain Code of Conduct for behaviour your deity likes. Very narrow and specific for Paladins, very wide and lenient for Inquisitors, with Clerics in the middle. And you risk the possibility of falling from grace. But you get the weapon proficiency (hard benefit) and the advantages of being a member of a holy organistion which can support you (soft benefit).

If you go for the "i do my own thing", you have absolute freedom, cant fall from grace, but dont get the free proficiency.


Guru-Meditation wrote:

When you follow a deity you are restricted by which domains you can choose from, and you have to follow a certain Code of Conduct for behaviour your deity likes. Very narrow and specific for Paladins, very wide and lenient for Inquisitors, with Clerics in the middle. And you risk the possibility of falling from grace. But you get the weapon proficiency (hard benefit) and the advantages of being a member of a holy organistion which can support you (soft benefit).

If you go for the "i do my own thing", you have absolute freedom, cant fall from grace, but dont get the free proficiency.

This appears to be the reasoning in place, as the Separatist Archetype that allows for nonstandard domains also drops favoured weapon proficiency.


Well, then you have a very different problem. Antipaladin doesn't require a deity (by default they're powered only by Evil and Chaos) and even if you do worship one it doesn't give you proficiency with their favored weapon. That being said, Crusader's Flurry only requires "Weapon Focus with your deity’s favored melee weapon." So someone who doesn't require a deity could totally take it as long as they worshiped a deity. Again, it needs a deity.

It's not GM fiat for that specific question. It's a no. It was GM fiat when you were talking about worshiping an ideal (which only applies to classes that need to have a deity). Antipaladin is not one of those classes. They do not need to worship anything. Therefore they don't need special GM consideration to give them a favored weapon. They just don't have one.

So for your specific situation, no, you never have a favored weapon. GM fiat, as always, can change that.


If you're a Cleric of an abstract ideal (I've played a Cleric of Mathematics before) you don't have a favored weapon.

You only get the favored weapon proficiency if your worship a deity which has a favored weapon and your class grants you the proficiency of your deity.

To get Crusader's Flurry on an antipaladin, you would need (in addition to monk levels) to worship a deity, and to have weapon focus in that deity's favored weapon. So you can manage a greatsword (via Zursvaater or Szuriel, say), but not a Butcher Axe or custom exotic weapon. Crusader's Flurry is, in part, balanced by the fact that most favored weapons of deities are not "best in class" types of weapons.


so i would just have to make up a new church then as we use custom made deities and what not instead of anything printed in a book


yeah that could do if you are in a house game, but i think the gm should create that deity and its favoured weapon in case someone want to take a really good weapon, and decide to create a deity just for that weapon, that will make everybody want to be with that god just for that weapon

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