paizo.com Recent Posts in Phantom blade vmc magus?paizo.com Recent Posts in Phantom blade vmc magus?2017-07-16T06:42:05Z2017-07-16T06:42:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?Snowlillyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#102017-07-17T11:39:21Z2017-07-17T11:35:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">avr wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Isn't that going to be dependent on at least 4 attributes? Wis and Int for casting and the VMC, Con because you want to survive melee, Dex or Str to fight with (& at least some dex if you go strength-primary). Since most offensive spiritualist spells rely on saves you need a fair bit of wisdom.</p>
<p>Assuming that you use dervish dance then the ideal race has bonuses to dex & wis and penalties only to strength or charisma. This means vanara, grippli, undine, dual-talented human or garuda-blooded aasimar. </p>
<p>Once you have weapon finesse and dervish dance then you could go for a combat maneuver, or just keep getting feats to improve your main combat ability. Weapon focus & greater WF, maybe the crane style line work for the latter. Toppling spell may be useful, there are a few force spiritualist spells. </blockquote><p>Go with a Dervish Dance build, don't need to invest in strength. Scimitars are already an optimal weapon for spellstrike, might as well take full advantage.
<p>Plumekin Aasimar is a good racial choice.</p>
<p>VMC is a tough choice, you're eventually giving up a feat for spellstrike, which you already have.</p>avr wrote:Isn't that going to be dependent on at least 4 attributes? Wis and Int for casting and the VMC, Con because you want to survive melee, Dex or Str to fight with (& at least some dex if you go strength-primary). Since most offensive spiritualist spells rely on saves you need a fair bit of wisdom.
Assuming that you use dervish dance then the ideal race has bonuses to dex & wis and penalties only to strength or charisma. This means vanara, grippli, undine, dual-talented human or...Snowlilly2017-07-17T11:35:43ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#92017-07-17T04:54:23Z2017-07-17T04:54:23Z<p>If it's just for the increased base weapon damage I wouldn't bother with Ascetic Strike. I think there's a way involving customising weapons in Adventurer's Armory 2, but it's not going to make a noticeable difference to the damage until character level 16. Save the 2 feats you'd have to spend on that style and put them elsewhere.</p>If it's just for the increased base weapon damage I wouldn't bother with Ascetic Strike. I think there's a way involving customising weapons in Adventurer's Armory 2, but it's not going to make a noticeable difference to the damage until character level 16. Save the 2 feats you'd have to spend on that style and put them elsewhere.avr2017-07-17T04:54:23ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?Undeadsurgeonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#82017-07-17T04:33:25Z2017-07-17T04:33:25Z<p>Astetic strike with improved critical would be great but scimatar isn't a monk weapon. Is there a way around that without multiclassing?</p>Astetic strike with improved critical would be great but scimatar isn't a monk weapon. Is there a way around that without multiclassing?Undeadsurgeon2017-07-17T04:33:25ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#72017-07-17T02:29:19Z2017-07-17T02:29:19Z<p>If you're using dervish dance then the weapon for sure. It also works better with spellstrike - 18-20 vs. 20 crit range. </p>
<p>IUS and monk damage is possibly useful if you're going to invest heavily in a style feat chain, or as a backup. It's not naturally better than using a weapon though.</p>If you're using dervish dance then the weapon for sure. It also works better with spellstrike - 18-20 vs. 20 crit range.
IUS and monk damage is possibly useful if you're going to invest heavily in a style feat chain, or as a backup. It's not naturally better than using a weapon though.avr2017-07-17T02:29:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?Undeadsurgeonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#62017-07-17T02:02:27Z2017-07-17T02:02:27Z<p>Well if I have the sword inside me, I have improved unarmed strike and monk damage. Agile weapon idea was a brain fart ill admit. But is it better to use the weapon or go unarmed?</p>Well if I have the sword inside me, I have improved unarmed strike and monk damage. Agile weapon idea was a brain fart ill admit. But is it better to use the weapon or go unarmed?Undeadsurgeon2017-07-17T02:02:27ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#52017-07-16T22:15:49Z2017-07-16T22:15:49Z<p>An agile weapon? For the phantom blade which gives its name to the archetype that's not an option at all. I guess you could pick an agile weapon up when you can afford it and then just never use the phantom blade again, but that seems like a huge waste.</p>
<p>4d6 best 3 can result in the wrong stat distribution entirely, especially when you have some pretty tight restrictions as here. 4 stats you want bonuses in, two of which you want high. </p>
<p>A svirfneblin is another option. I didn't consider it because the 24 RP puts many GMs off. It suggests you want to be very sneaky, and don't expect to get many buffs from the party - spell resistance is a pain sometimes.</p>
<p>You don't get to trade unwanted/duplicated VMC powers back for the feats, no.</p>An agile weapon? For the phantom blade which gives its name to the archetype that's not an option at all. I guess you could pick an agile weapon up when you can afford it and then just never use the phantom blade again, but that seems like a huge waste.
4d6 best 3 can result in the wrong stat distribution entirely, especially when you have some pretty tight restrictions as here. 4 stats you want bonuses in, two of which you want high.
A svirfneblin is another option. I didn't consider it...avr2017-07-16T22:15:49ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?Undeadsurgeonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#42017-07-16T16:52:33Z2017-07-16T16:52:33Z<p>I'm thinking a svirfneblin. Luckily stats are the 4d6 method so I should be okay in that department. And would dervish be worth the feet when I could get an agile weapon? Also I would be getting spellstrike twice so would the vmc spellstrike just revert back to a feat?</p>I'm thinking a svirfneblin. Luckily stats are the 4d6 method so I should be okay in that department. And would dervish be worth the feet when I could get an agile weapon? Also I would be getting spellstrike twice so would the vmc spellstrike just revert back to a feat?Undeadsurgeon2017-07-16T16:52:33ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?avrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#32017-07-16T07:04:48Z2017-07-16T07:04:48Z<p>Isn't that going to be dependent on at least 4 attributes? Wis and Int for casting and the VMC, Con because you want to survive melee, Dex or Str to fight with (& at least some dex if you go strength-primary). Since most offensive spiritualist spells rely on saves you need a fair bit of wisdom.</p>
<p>Assuming that you use dervish dance then the ideal race has bonuses to dex & wis and penalties only to strength or charisma. This means vanara, grippli, undine, dual-talented human or garuda-blooded aasimar. </p>
<p>Once you have weapon finesse and dervish dance then you could go for a combat maneuver, or just keep getting feats to improve your main combat ability. Weapon focus & greater WF, maybe the crane style line work for the latter. Toppling spell may be useful, there are a few force spiritualist spells.</p>Isn't that going to be dependent on at least 4 attributes? Wis and Int for casting and the VMC, Con because you want to survive melee, Dex or Str to fight with (& at least some dex if you go strength-primary). Since most offensive spiritualist spells rely on saves you need a fair bit of wisdom.
Assuming that you use dervish dance then the ideal race has bonuses to dex & wis and penalties only to strength or charisma. This means vanara, grippli, undine, dual-talented human or garuda-blooded...avr2017-07-16T07:04:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?Undeadsurgeonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#22017-07-16T06:49:19Z2017-07-16T06:49:19Z<p>And is call spirit a lame ability or am I missing something?</p>And is call spirit a lame ability or am I missing something?Undeadsurgeon2017-07-16T06:49:19ZForums: Advice: Phantom blade vmc magus?Undeadsurgeonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugn0?Phantom-blade-vmc-magus#12017-07-16T06:42:05Z2017-07-16T06:42:05Z<p>I'm considering a phantom blade with the variant multiclass option for magus, I'm not sure what race would be best or what direction to go to optimise it. Any pointers?</p>I'm considering a phantom blade with the variant multiclass option for magus, I'm not sure what race would be best or what direction to go to optimise it. Any pointers?Undeadsurgeon2017-07-16T06:42:05Z