Empty Quiver Style and Empty Quiver Flexibility


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So these two feats provide a few odd interactions with different abilities.
The feats read as follows

Empty Quiver Style and Flexibility:
Empty Quiver Style
Prerequisite(s): Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon.

Benefit(s): While using this style, you can make melee attacks with the chosen weapon as if it were a heavy mace (or a light mace for melee attack made with a hand crossbow or one-handed firearm), though you don’t automatically threaten the area around you as if you were wielding a melee weapon.

You can switch between melee and ranged attacks with this weapon without penalty, even during the same round. In addition, you ignore the elf prerequisite for the Stabbing Shot feat.

If you have the Stabbing Shot feat, you can use it with a crossbow or firearm, substituting a loaded bolt or firearm ammunition for an arrow.

Special: In addition to the chosen weapon, a character with this feat and the weapon training (bows, crossbows, or firearms) class feature can use Empty Quiver Style with any bow, crossbow, or firearm, respectively.

Empty Quiver Flexibility
Prerequisite(s): Empty Quiver Style, Rapid Shot, Stabbing Shot, Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon.

Benefit(s): While using Empty Quiver Style, you can apply any feats and class abilities you possess that modify your ranged attack rolls and damage rolls with the chosen weapon to melee attack rolls and damage rolls made with that weapon. Additionally, you are considered to be threatening the area around you as if you were wielding a melee weapon.


So the important two lines between them are "you can make melee attacks with the chosen weapon as if it were a heavy mace" and "you can apply any feats and class abilities you possess that modify your ranged attack rolls and damage rolls with the chosen weapon to melee attack rolls and damage rolls made with that weapon."

Question 1: Can you use both Deadly Aim and Power Attack on melee attacks with your 'chosen weapon'?
Question 2: Can you use feats like rapid shot to melee attacks with this line?
Question 3: If you have weapon training with both Heavy Mace and Bows then do you get to apply both to melee attacks?
Question 4/5: Can you take both Weapon Focus Longbow and Weapon Focus Heavy Mace and apply them both to melee attack rolls? Would the same apply to the rest of the Weapon Specialization and Weapon Focus line?

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DaPenguins wrote:

So these two feats provide a few odd interactions with different abilities.

The feats read as follows
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So the important two lines between them are "you can make melee attacks with the chosen weapon as if it were a heavy mace" and "you can apply any feats and class abilities you possess that modify your ranged attack rolls and damage rolls with the chosen weapon to melee attack rolls and damage rolls made with that weapon."

Question 1: Can you use both Deadly Aim and Power Attack on melee attacks with your 'chosen weapon'? - Yes, as deadly aim is a feat that modifies attack rolls.

Question 2: Can you use feats like rapid shot to melee attacks with this line? - No, while there is a component in feats like this that may modify the attack rolls, the main part of the feat is an extra attack. The style calls out attack roll and damage roll modifiers.

Question 3: If you have weapon training with both Heavy Mace and Bows then do you get to apply both to melee attacks? No - You can use both, but the bonuses would not stack. Its effectively the same source.

Question 4/5: Can you take both Weapon Focus Longbow and Weapon Focus Heavy Mace and apply them both to melee attack rolls? Would the same apply to the rest of the Weapon Specialization and Weapon Focus line? - no As above with stacking.

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