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Is their a limit on bonus given by magic items? Specifically skill points?


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I have looked and I cant seem to find the answer to my question, I am sure their is a limit to the bonus allowed on a magic item. I am aware that you can only have a +10 Bonus to magic weapons and Armour (and only +5 of that +10 can be to damage/hit and AC). My question is about items that give bonus to skill checks such as cloak of elven kind. If I have a character that can craft an item can he craft a +10 or greater to a specific skill check as long as he follow the formula of bonus squared x 100GP price for the item? this could essentially allow him to make an item that could give +20 to any skill for only 20,000 (if he made it himself)


Only the basic rule that the GM has to approve it, so the GM should make sure it doesn't break anything in his game.


The custom magic item guidelines are there to help the GM add custom items to his game. There's no limit to what the GM can add to his game, so go nuts, or, if you're a player, ask your GM.


I believe the creator also needs to have that many ranks in the skill? I don't think that's actually in the creation rules, but most (if not all) magic items that grant a +5 to a skill say in their requirements that the creator must have 5 ranks in the skill. Case in point, Ring of Jumping. The only exception to that I remember is the aforementioned Elvenkind items, which require the creator to be an elf. So, as far as I can remember, all non-raced restricted creations must have an equal number of ranks.

So yes, a character could make themselves a +20 a skill item... if they already had 20 ranks in that skill, meaning they'd need to be 20th level.

Again, I'm not sure if that's actually "written" anywhere, but it is certainly implied.

Edit: See also, the Improved Ring of Jumping, which grants +10 to acrobatics, and requires 10 ranks in acrobatics.

Edit 2: Wait, never mind. Both Gloves of Swimming and Climbing and Eyes of the Eagle have no rank requirements. So.. yeah, guess there are actually lots of random exceptions to that rule, making it not much of a rule at all, unwritten or otherwise.

Edit 3: Okay, now this has me curious. I just flipped through the core book and found that:

A) ALL rings require an equal number of ranks to the amount of bonus given. Climb, Jump, Swim - all of them.

B) NONE of the wondrous items require the same.

Why? Did two different people write those sections? Why require it so consistently for Rings and completely not require it for wondrous items?

I have never noticed this before. Freaky.


In any case, that requirement can be bypassed with a +5 to the DC of the craft check.


Zelgadas Greyward wrote:

I believe the creator also needs to have that many ranks in the skill? I don't think that's actually in the creation rules, but most (if not all) magic items that grant a +5 to a skill say in their requirements that the creator must have 5 ranks in the skill. Case in point, Ring of Jumping. The only exception to that I remember is the aforementioned Elvenkind items, which require the creator to be an elf. So, as far as I can remember, all non-raced restricted creations must have an equal number of ranks.

So yes, a character could make themselves a +20 a skill item... if they already had 20 ranks in that skill, meaning they'd need to be 20th level.

Again, I'm not sure if that's actually "written" anywhere, but it is certainly implied.

Edit: See also, the Improved Ring of Jumping, which grants +10 to acrobatics, and requires 10 ranks in acrobatics.

Edit 2: Wait, never mind. Both Gloves of Swimming and Climbing and Eyes of the Eagle have no rank requirements. So.. yeah, guess there are actually lots of random exceptions to that rule, making it not much of a rule at all, unwritten or otherwise.

Edit 3: Okay, now this has me curious. I just flipped through the core book and found that:

A) ALL rings require an equal number of ranks to the amount of bonus given. Climb, Jump, Swim - all of them.

B) NONE of the wondrous items require the same.

Why? Did two different people write those sections? Why require it so consistently for Rings and completely not require it for wondrous items?

I have never noticed this before. Freaky.

So i did notice that some items did require the person to have x ranks to make +x skill item but some did not have this requirement. As someone stated you could just overcome this requirement by upping the DC by 5.


Another thing just occurred to me, the CL of the item would go up with an item that provides a greater increase on its bonus. I just looked at the ring of jumping which gives a +5 to acrobatics and it had CL2. The ring of jumping improved gives +10 to acrobatics and it had CL7. the bonus increased by 5 and so did the CL. I wonder if this is a coincidence or how it scales up?

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