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I am running a Dwarven Warpriest in a PBP game.

I was wondering if there was any way that I could get a weapon focus on the weapon group axes?

This is so that I can use sacred weapon with things like a boarding axe, and the maulaxe, along with his preferred war axe.

If so, what books would I find the feats needed for that?


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Martial Versatility (Combat)

You further broaden your study of weapons to encompass multiple similar weapons.
Prerequisites: Fighter level 4th, human.
Benefit: Choose one combat feat you know that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus). You can use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group.
Special: You may take this feat more than once. Each time it applies to a different feat.

Only thing I know but, unfortunately, it's human only.

Edit: found in Advanced Race Guide


Instead of trying to get Weapon Focus for the Axe Group, you can take Ancestral Weapon Mastery (from Inner Sea Races) to get a bonus version of Weapon Focus that can be moved around among your racial weapons. For a Dwarf with the Weapon Familiarity Racial Trait and proficiency with all Martial Weapons you can, with 10 minutes of practice, transfer that bonus Weapon Focus between any of the following:

* Dwarven Maulaxe (exotic, light, 1d4, 1d6, x3, 10 ft, B or S)
* Battleaxe (martial, one-handed, 1d6, 1d8, x3, S)
* Dwarven Waraxe (exotic, one-handed, 1d8, 1d10, x3, S)
* Dwarven Double Waraxe (exotic, one-handed, 1d8, 1d10, x3, S)
* Dwarven Longaxe (exotic, two-handed, 1d10, 1d12, x3, S, reach)

* Heavy Pick (martial, one-handed, 1d4, 1d6, x4, P)
* Dwarven Boulder Helmet (exotic, light, 1d3, 1d4, x2, B)
* Warhammer (martial, one-handed, 1d6, 1d8, x3, B)
* Dwarven Warhammer (exotic, two-handed, 1d10, 2d6, x3, B, reach)
* Dwarven Dorn-Dergar (exotic, two-handed, 1d8, 1d10, x2, B, reach)


Gisher that is kind of what I was looking at, but the problem, was the 15 minutes time.

I was kind of hoping to find something that I could apply the focus directly to other weapons when I need it like the Martial versatility.

I guess I will have to look into the Ancestral Weapon mastery though, as it seems the closest to what I need.

Unless there is something else I seem to be missing.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Subscriber

If you play an arsenal chaplain warpriest, you can take the advanced weapon training feat to take the weapon specialist AWT to apply weapon focus on all weapons in a weapon group.


Imbicatus, where can I find the Arsenal Chaplain Warpriest ???


Mokshai wrote:

Imbicatus, where can I find the Arsenal Chaplain Warpriest ???

I notice it's not (yet) on Archives of Nethys, but you can the archetype here. It's from the Weapon Masters handbook.


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Blymurkla wrote:
Mokshai wrote:

Imbicatus, where can I find the Arsenal Chaplain Warpriest ???

I notice it's not (yet) on Archives of Nethys, but you can the archetype here. It's from the Weapon Masters handbook.

incorrect.

Just that it's from molthune and srd doesn't do names. It's region specific.


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Cavall wrote:
Blymurkla wrote:
Mokshai wrote:

Imbicatus, where can I find the Arsenal Chaplain Warpriest ???

I notice it's not (yet) on Archives of Nethys, but you can the archetype here. It's from the Weapon Masters handbook.

incorrect.

Just that it's from molthune and srd doesn't do names. It's region specific.

You're absolutely right, thanks =)


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You're welcome. I prefer the archive for using original names.


Imbicatus wrote:
If you play an arsenal chaplain warpriest, you can take the advanced weapon training feat to take the weapon specialist AWT to apply weapon focus on all weapons in a weapon group.

Did we ever get official word on how the Arsenal Chaplain interacts with the Advanced Weapon Training feat? Last I heard there was some ambiguity there.

Like since the AWT feat requires 5 fighter levels, you can only take them with Bonus feats, which is fine, and once per 5 fighter levels (so your 6th, 12th, etc. level bonus feat.)

But a bunch of AWT options refer to a specific weapon group, and what group does the Warpriest have training in? "The set of all weapons the WP has WF in"? "The group that contains the Warpriest's sacred weapon?" "No group at all so anything that refers to weapon groups doesn't apply, they just get the bonus and can use any AWT that doesn't refer to a group?

Last I checked this was ambiguous (to the point where PFS didn't let the Molthuni Arsenal Chaplain take AWT).

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Subscriber

The weapon training an arsenal chaplain gets is identical to the fighter weapon training, except it only applies to sacred weapons.

So at 5th level, they choose a weapon group. This would theoretically be a weapon you have focus in. So if you are a dwarf and took weapon focus with the war axe, you choose Weapon Training axe. Until you take weapon focus in another axe, the weapon training bonus only applies with the war axe.

Then at 9th level, you choose an additional weapon group, just like the fighter, but again, it only applies to focus weapons. The reason PFS disallows the arsenal chaplain from getting AWT when leveling up is because the 9th level option is a false choice. It would be a dead feature unless you have a different deity favored weapon or spent a feat to take weapon focus in another group. It's completely legal by raw though.

The AWT Feat is not a false choice, because it simply taking a feat for an AWT instead of giving up a weapon training group that does nothing. It's also illegal for PFS, but only because the AR ruling was too broad, and there is a request in to revisit it.


So the archtype is in the weapon masters handbook ?
I guess I missed that on the first pass through the book.

So now what I am asking then, is at 5th, when I get to choose the group, if I choose axes, I can use the sacred weapon choices for all of the axes that I am likely to use ?

I guess I will learn further, by reading the archtype when I get back from work, and have access to my books.

Thank you for the assistance.


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If you have WF: Battleaxe and WF: Greataxe then they both qualify as sacred weapons, and would both benefit from Weapon Training in Axes.

If you have only Weapon Focus for the Greataxe, then only that weapon qualifies as a sacred weapon and only that weapon benefits from Weapon Training.

However, if you take the Advanced Weapon Training option "Weapon Specialist" you would be able to apply your Weapon Focus: Greataxe to all axes, thereby making them all sacred weapons and applying your weapon training to all of them.

At least, that's how I currently think this would work.

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