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I hate y-wings, the pilot seat is rough and coarse and causes skin to flake everywhere.
On another note, I look forward to seeing this tomorrow. My one Nerd question that may never get unanswered is what would happen if Dr. Doom went against Black Panther..
Ruler vs ruler
THE F$*# YOU JUST SAY?!?
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Shuri has always been a great character and I'm glad that got translated over in this film.
I liked it my only problem was some of the action sequences were hard to follow and they also seemed real dark and shadowy making it all the harder. Could of been the theaters fault i suppose.
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Shuri....most bad ass Disney Princess
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You think we can get a super smash bros type game but with Disney princesses?
So are there two 'classes' of Disney princesses?
A. The 'traditional'
and
B. The 'badasses'?
Also, looking forward to the prospect of maybe seeing this on Monday if weather holds.
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Just saw it. It was awesome. Super full theater, nearly sold out.
My favorite was the general.
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There was a lot of awesome to it. I was particularly impressed by how they handled M’Baku.
My theater had two concurrent showings, both were filled out. I liked it, not a huge BP fan so won't see it again, but it was a solid Marvel film, in its way as good as anything they have put out aside from original Iron Man and winter Soldier.
What?!!! GotG is great! (Though I loved MCU Ego too...)
There was a lot of awesome to it. I was particularly impressed by how they handled M’Baku.You mean by not calling him Man Ape?
No, I don't.
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Wakanda forever.
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Saw it over the weekend, loved it. But I do have one question. ** spoiler omitted **
And they also probably had ways to cloak it.
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It seemed...
Wakanda Forever
He couldn't afford money or super technology so he had the US government teach him how to do the stuff, then teach him more, then honed that skill a LOT.
The fact that he had the wisdom(?) when all was done to say "I've made my point, no amount of living is going to bring back all of our people who have been enslaved or worse for hundreds of years, and I'm essentially challenging you to DO something about it, T'Challa" was pretty neat.
M'Baku handling -- Yeah, quite possibly the 'comedic' highlight of the movie... "Say another word and I will feed you to my children" *beat* "Just kidding, we're vegetarians!" was the right combination to hit there, because it DID shut up Ross AND proved that M'Baku wasn't just some animal caricature, he just uses Intimidate as his primary Social skill. For everything.
It was also kind of neat that this was NOT a civil war, as in the challenge *technically* wasn't completed. And once it became obvious that no side was 'right' and they were going to 'stand down' until the leadership thing sorted itself out was light-years more advanced than the 'colonizer' approach (T. Stark vs. B. Barnes and S. Rogers)
Also, the information about Ross was kind of interesting. 1992 and he was a pilot before joining the CIA. Captain Marvel connection?
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Saw it for the 3rd time this morning with my Mom, who LOVED it and is making plans to see it again.
So there's one thing that I realized on my 3rd viewing that I missed the 1st two times:
The tip-off for me FINALLY was the line "Baba? Tell me about HOME."
Which made Erik's line to T'challa near the end of the movie "Can you believe that? A kid from Oakland walking around, believing in fairytales." all the more poignant and heartbreaking.
But of all the lines in the film that hit me it's Erik's final exchange with T'challa that hit's me hardest.
T’Challa: Maybe we can still heal you.
Killmonger: Why? So you can lock me up?
Killmonger: Nah, bury me in the ocean with my ancestors that jumped from the ships. Because they knew death was better than bondage.
For my money, Killmonger is the best MCU villain next to Loki. And he went out true to himself. Just imagine him and T'challa working together though? That would have been AMAZING.
Shin,
Also, have to contest best next to Loki. I think he was better than Loki. And that's the tragedy.
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Wei Ji
Spoiler three in the previous post. OMG THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME
Yes, definitely. It would position him to be the new connective tissue character, that Agent Coulson and / or Nick Fury served in the early MCU movies, tying it all together (and cost a heck of a lot less than trying to afford putting Robert Downey, Jr. in every movie).
Meh, you got the point. :> Was distracted getting butt kicked on scenario.
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Shuri....most bad ass Disney Princess
She seems better than iron man in like... Every way. Richer, cooler toys, more in touch with pop culture...
I think more than any other movies, the secondary characters are really likeable and awesome.
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I am somewhat amused by the fact that while they're nominally in the same universe... you cannot pretend that this is the same world that Iron Man (2008) happens in. ;)
We've been free of the "keep it real-world plausible" shackles of Batman begins for some time now, but GOD it felt glorious seeing Wakanda just generally ruling the roost.
Those HYDRA weapons SHIELD was stockpiling? Pathetic. Oh, Stark has power armor suits, huh? That's cute! Shuri demonstrated superior tech on every level WHILE being a better human being. And that's just her. I kinda want a Shuri spinoff flick that's just two hours of her making the world better without throwing a punch.
And Killmonger... well.
Perhaps amusingly, the Black Panther is the most merciful main hero in the MCU to date (uh... unless you're a nameless minion, anyway...). He pointedly kept Zemo from killing himself, took in Bucky, and offered to heal Killmonger. Spidey needs to catch up!
Also, you know. Michael B. Jordan is a friggin' BOSS.
In the comics doesn't shuri become ruleing queen of wakanda eventually?
I am somewhat amused by the fact that while they're nominally in the same universe... you cannot pretend that this is the same world that Iron Man (2008) happens in. ;)
We've been free of the "keep it real-world plausible" shackles of Batman begins for some time now, but GOD it felt glorious seeing Wakanda just generally ruling the roost.
Those HYDRA weapons SHIELD was stockpiling? Pathetic. Oh, Stark has power armor suits, huh? That's cute! Shuri demonstrated superior tech on every level WHILE being a better human being. And that's just her. I kinda want a Shuri spinoff flick that's just two hours of her making the world better without throwing a punch.
And Killmonger... well.
** spoiler omitted **
Also, you know. Michael B. Jordan is a friggin' BOSS.
ALL OF THIS. I cut Stark some slack because again he didn't have this miracle metal to work with from scratch as Shuri does but yeah I'm pretty sure she's gonna be like "Nice Suit." *Snicker* *mentally already drawing up plans to improve the Stark design*
In the comics doesn't shuri become ruleing queen of wakanda eventually?
YUP.
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Indeed,
This occurred after Secret Invasion and while Norman Osborn was running his HAMMER stuff along side the cabal of Doctor Doom, Emma Frost, Namor and the Hood plus Loki. Shuri took over after she defeated the Spider-man villain Morlun by herself with no Panther Power or blessing.
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Also: Note that in the span of a single film set there, Wakanda means more and feels more real than Asgard managed to do in three flicks focused on it.
As a Thor fan, I'm envious, but not unhappy.
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That makes two of us, Cole.
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I really liked it.
One of the reasons that Black Panther feels like such a good story is that it's actually a decently developed story overall. I alluded to right away that I think it might actually be a 5-act story, which is SUPER UNUSUAL in these comic book movies. In no particular order, some the best comic book movies so far (do not consider this exhaustive or definitive, just some examples):
Black Panther
Iron Man
Wonder Woman
Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
A consistent facet of each of these is they avoid the 2-act trap. These movies are expensive and rely heavily on special effects and cgi scenes, and part of the reason is because those scenes are so expensive. During the editing process it becomes a "sunk cost", and so editors/directors are more likely to keep those exciting, expensive shots in the movie because they're so expensive. The absolute worst offenders are Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman. You get an introductory act, but the story skips over act 2, and goes straight to a super long and extended act 3.
Black Panther could easily be argued to be in 5 acts. Having this super solid story structure in place actually makes the movie feel really complete. T'Challa is obviously the "hero" of the story, but it helped that that the "side" characters were so prominent, and were used in place of him to show how important his journey was. They weren't just fridged characters, but expressive people who had really developed personality. Instead of a central character speaking for everyone, you get this big ensemble speaking for the central character.
In the grand scheme of cinema, Black Panther didn't break any new ground. I found a lot of it to be really safe and predictable. Comic book movies can be safe, they aren't supposed to make me question the nature of my own existence, or work hard to puzzle out the meaning of the film, but be fun entertainment. I think it does make a good case though that using the well-developed structures of traditional story telling is a good thing, and a move away from the Bay/Snyder style of constructing a movie.
I don't have a ton of faith, but I have hope.
A big take-away from this movie is Responsibility and Accountability:
As a person of color, T'challa (and by extension, Wakanda) kind of has/have a responsibility to help other people of color (as heavily indicated by Killmonger).
At the same time, there is an accountability for keeping the people of Wakanda *safe* from the outside world.
Seeing these themes in play and in contrast to one another versus "FreedomRAHRAH/SecurityControl" of Civil War lends a particularly heavy message, that can be transferred directly to any of a number of RL issues (without going into the politics).
Also, once again, proof that in the MCU, having powers is 'nice' but having a *brain to use them right* is far, far more important. Killmonger, Vulture, Zemo... these are 'normal folks' (admittedly, some have skills in various directions) that put their 'normal people skills' to work to do significant things.
I still wonder where the hell that one McGuffin is!
Adam warlock in infinity wars imo. Hmm he may not even completly assemble it until the 2nd movie even!
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I saw it last weekend. It was a good, solid Marvel movie, but not my favorite. Here are a few thoughts i had about it:
1) It followed Marvel's "Superhero's 1st Movie" formula - "Good Guy with superpower fights Bad Guy with similar superpower, suffers defeat or setback, learns valuable lesson, and returns to defeat Bad Guy with similar superpower." This is the same basic story structure Marvel has used over and over again and they're very good at it, but it'd be nice to see them stray from that and Black Panther, for all the other stuff it did, feels like a missed opportunity for a story structure change.
2) Killmonger's backstory, as explained by Ross (I think) at one point: Annapolis grad (meaning he went to the Naval Academy and was an officer in the Navy), MIT grad, Navy SEAL, and special forces. So obviously a bad guy. This one is kind of a nitpick, but it seemed out of place for a character who wanted to arm oppressed people with supertech so they could overthrow the people in power and not be oppressed any more because he was a very direct agent of those in power. You could say that being a agent of those in power, he was in a position to see their abuses and it changed him or something, but that was never laid out. He seemed like his thing was to get all that fancy training and experience working for the oppressors so that he would be in a position to help the oppressed overthrow the oppressors? That's comicbook logic. Otherwise, I thought he was a really good Bad Guy.
3) The tech level felt just a little bit too high. It was kinda jarring for me, to have this one secret country be so far ahead of the rest of the world, and especially their immediate neighbors, and no one has a clue. I get the "the rest of the world thinks we're poor goat-herders, ha!, jokes on them!" angle, but I think the tech was a wee bit overdone.
4) The characters were well-written and the acting was great and I liked them all.
5) If Killmonger had never been to Wakanda, where did he get the identifying, florescent, inner lip tattoo? Obviously his dad must have given it to him, right?
Skeld,
1. That's kind of the formula for all superhero/hero movies?
2. They also mentioned that he was part of JSOC, or Joint Special Operations Command, with specific training on how to destabilize governments. He was playing to his training as much as Zemo was playing to HIS training as an intelligence operative.
3. That Jarring sensation means they hit the right tone, because that's what Wakanda's big thing is story-wise.
4. Yes. And you could find yourself rooting for Killmonger on some levels, which means it was a cohesive antagonist, not a pop-up target.
5. My guess? Genetically combined marker tags -- they have medical superscience that can get someone up from a critical gunshot wound within hours, and undo several decades of mental conditioning in a few short months at the very least.
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I saw it last weekend. It was a good, solid Marvel movie, but not my favorite. Here are a few thoughts i had about it:
** spoiler omitted **...
5) Yep. I think it was mentioned in the vision that Dad hoped to take him there. Something like he gave him a key or something. It was a quick thing and I don't remember the verbage, but it was mentioned.
The 'key' was probably three things.... his father's ring, the book in 'code' (Wakandan), and his tattoo. At least, I'm guessing at any rate?