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I think, well hope, that a Ms. Marvel movie could be a thing that spins off a successful Captain Marvel film. Hell, if were likely the new Spiderman could make Marvel consider tapping into that YA demographic and making a Young Avengers or Champions film.
You are right though in that her powers might be a bit to goofy or translate poorly to film. Though with Ant-Man being a thing who knows.
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Random comment: Nothing annoys me more in conversation about Avengers than the position of Hawkeye. "Why did they let guy who is pretty good with bow with REAL superheros?"
Did they miss the part where he pretty much wrecked the helicarrier alone? Take over it's controls with a effin' arrow? Fought Black Widow- arguably the best non-superpowered close combat fighter in the universe so far- and managed to fight back?
Do you need superpowers to be superhero? There has been similar comments about Black Widow as well. Hawkeye was no in spotlight in Avengers- necessary sacrifice when you jumble a team with 6 members in it- but I believe the movie justifies his position in the team with skills and motivation.
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The Flash: What are your super powers again?
Batman: I'm rich.
Pretty much the same as Iron Man being an Avenger if you ask me. :-)
Except with a robot fetish. :-)
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Ant-Man is my favorite marvel movie.
Odds are that if you are overall not a fan of super hero movies, than Antman probably won't be a movie you like.
At least his suit is black, and black panthers are an actual thing. Black Goliath (debuted under that unfortunate tag in 1975), DC's Black Lightning (debuted in 1977), and the DC/Hanna-Barbera Black Vulcan (1977-1978) had no excuse whatsoever.
Black Vulcan had a cool yell on the Hanna-Barbera cartoon, though, and some nifty superpowers. Contrast him with the villain "Black Manta" who was, as near as I can tell, a normal guy who just liked to wear a diving helmet and SCUBA tanks when he wasn't swimming.
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No offense Kirth, but that really sounds like "I don't like superheroes. I don't understand superheroes. Let me tell you what's wrong with superhero movies."
Captain America 2 wasn't just a good superhero movie; it was a good "buddy movie" and a good movie overall. Action sequences were handled well, characters were seldom unnecessary or extraneous, and the actors' talents were all showcased -- it's immediately obvious that Marvel hired some actual directors. This was my hands-down favorite of the lot.
Captain America 3 really should have been called Avengers 3, but never mind that. It had the same directors as CA2, and it shows: they manage to keep the CGI down to manageable levels instead of relying on it (and even then, the action sequences have a pretty good sense of scale and tempo and so on); they introduce new superheroes in a manner that allows the viewer to relate to them; they provide enough dialogue and character interaction to allow the plot to exist. It's also no small thing to put 10 superheroes on the screen simultaneously, all doing superhero things, and still have the audience able to follow the action and keep track of who's who.
Yes, clearly I am just mindlessly hating on superheroes and don't have anything else to say about what makes a good superhero movie.
Serious question: Can you explain to me why "Ant-Man" is any stupider than "Spider-Man" or even "Bat-Man" as a superhero name?
The near-rhyme and lame animal might both have something to do with it. Bats at least have the whole vampire association going for them, and lots of people I know are (inexplicably, to me) massively phobic about spiders. I'm not saying that "Bat-Man" and "Spider-Man" aren't both really silly names; it's just they're not quite as silly as "Ant-Man."
Random comment: Nothing annoys me more in conversation about Avengers than the position of Hawkeye. "Why did they let guy who is pretty good with bow with REAL superheros?
Like I said, I think the main saving grace of "Avengers 2" is that they make it a point to show him as the team's necessary grounding in ordinary life. Avengers 1 doesn't give you that.
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Avengers 1 does give you Loki being a puny god.
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Ant-Man is my favorite marvel movie.
For me it was the first real "IKEA lamp" of the franchise- a perfectly serviceable consumer good that I didn't find particularly striking or memorable. It wasn't bad, but it was a combination of "Marvel paints by numbers" and "Why in the name of sanity isn't this movie about Hope/Wasp?"
Ant-Man is my favorite marvel movie.For me it was the first real "IKEA lamp" of the franchise- a perfectly serviceable consumer good that I didn't find particularly striking or memorable. It wasn't bad, but it was a combination of "Marvel paints by numbers" and "Why in the name of sanity isn't this movie about Hope/Wasp?"
So on the scale of serviceable consumer goods, would you place it at the Kullen end or at the Hurdal end? Or somewhere in the middle, say the Hemnes or the Trysil?
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So on the scale of serviceable consumer goods, would you place it at the Kullen end or at the Hurdal end? Or somewhere in the middle, say the Hemnes or the Trysil?
Oh, very much a Trysil. Not good enough to be a favored repeat viewing, not bad enough to make me change the channel if I catch in on a TV in hotel somewhere.
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Ant-Man is my favorite marvel movie.For me it was the first real "IKEA lamp" of the franchise- a perfectly serviceable consumer good that I didn't find particularly striking or memorable. It wasn't bad, but it was a combination of "Marvel paints by numbers" and "Why in the name of sanity isn't this movie about Hope/Wasp?"
For me, that was either Thor the Dark World and Iron Man 2. They have nothing interesting or particulary different going for them. Ant-Man at least has a fairly different setup and a huge heart- everything Scott does hinges on being a better person. Not for himself, but for his daughter. Also Cassie is cute ASF.
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Serious question: Can you explain to me why "Ant-Man" is any stupider than "Spider-Man" or even "Bat-Man" as a superhero name? Without it being just that those have had much more publicity for much longer so you'd accepted them before realizing they seemed stupid. (And by the way, none of those are anywhere in the running for stupidest superhero name, even if you leave out the true Z-list nobody remembers them characters.)
To be fair... Ants are lame. Spiders are creepy and spin webs and have poison and creep a LOT of people out. Bats fly and bite and are creatures of the night... Ants are small. They're mainly known for being small, blindly following orders in a hive mind, and ruining picnics. Oh... and being easily killed. between shoes, thumbs and/or Magnifying glasses... Ants have a remarkable death rate. The whole point of them is to be insignificant.
Hence having a superhero called 'Ant-man' is pretty tough to swallow. I frankly couldn't believe they even bothered with him. ESPECIALLY when I heard they were going with Scott. The only thing Ant-man is really known for is slapping his wife and creating Ultron... and they didn't even USE that version. Scott had nothing going for him.
The fact that it turned out to be an amazing movie and one of their best absolutely boggles my mind! But yeah, I never talked to any 'non-comic fans' who didn't roll their eyes at the name 'ant-man'.
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I enjoyed Ant-man because of its role in the overall Marvel cinematic universe. We had all these movies from the Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Avengers franchises that kept building up to bigger and bigger messes, headed to the cosmic scale. Weaponized personal armor to living legends from World War II to an actual god on Earth....
...then we get a story about the little guy (pun intended).
Ant-man brought us back to Earth (more pun intended), reminded us of the everyday world. Sure, we had super-science. But Scott Lang isn't going to fly over to Germany, override the PA system of a cutting-edge spacecraft to announce his arrival, and then end a fight with a living god. Fly over by stowing away on a transcontinental flight maybe. But not the rest. The movie just gave us a good change of pace in the overall story of the MCU. If you build up suspense for too long in a movie, the big reveal at the end doesn't work because you've become numb to it. If you think of the MCU as one big movie, this is that break a good writer puts into the script to make sure that when the reveal hits you still feel it.
That, and it was good to see that the brains of the operation (Pym) wasn't as infallible as others could be (Scott's little test before the big event).
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For me, that was either Thor the Dark World and Iron Man 2. They have nothing interesting or particulary different going for them. Ant-Man at least has a fairly different setup and a huge heart- everything Scott does hinges on being a better person. Not for himself, but for his daughter. Also Cassie is cute ASF.
I can watch Ant-Man again. Much like Captain America, which offloads the humor onto the General played by Tommy Lee Jones to spare us the sight of Captain America as a 'Heather,' Ant-Man offloads much of the humor onto his buddies, particularly Luis, which allows the character to be more than just a snark-serving machine like Stark, and to have a bit more weight as a character. (To be fair, I can watch Green Lantern again, and am perfectly happy to never see any of Nolan's, IMO, boring and overwrought Batflicks again, so I am an outlier.)
But Thor and Thor 2 are right out. I didn't much like them the first time, and I don't expect a prolonged absence to make my heart grow fonder. Who knows, perhaps they are better movies to non-comic-book fans? To me, a fan of comic-book Thor since I was a kid, sometime in the late Cretaceous period, Chris Hemsworth and his gleepy comedic schmoop does not exactly scream '3000 year old god of war and thunder.'
Guardians of the Galaxy was just fun. Yeah, it's got an Infinity Stone in it, and a flash of Thanos, but it's only marginally tied into the Marvel MCU, for all that, has a completely different tone and could function perfectly well as a standalone movie.
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Why is Batman on the Justice League? He's just a guy with a fancy belt and a rodent fetish. :P
Bats are not rodents.
To be fair... Ants are lame. Spiders are creepy and spin webs and have poison and creep a LOT of people out. Bats fly and bite and are creatures of the night... Ants are small. They're mainly known for being small, blindly following orders in a hive mind, and ruining picnics.
Ants are super strong and highly organized. Didn't you see "THEM!" ?
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I actually liked the Thor movies. They certainly aren't the height of cinematic achievement but they were fun to watch.
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For me, that was either Thor the Dark World and Iron Man 2. They have nothing interesting or particulary different going for them. Ant-Man at least has a fairly different setup and a huge heart- everything Scott does hinges on being a better person. Not for himself, but for his daughter. Also Cassie is cute ASF.
And, lest we forget (which I wish I could), the stupendously lame Iron Man 3, Super Pepper (who has, it seems, been written out for the time being, and thankfully so), and the wasted use of Sir Ben Kingsley (who nevertheless managed to make his appearance awesome as s&@#).
Ant Man kicked ass. As you said, a large part of it was the Scott Lang character arc. However, there was also the mirroring father/child arc between Hank and his daughter, which I think helped frame the Scott/Cassie arc. I look forward to the next one, especially following what happened in Civil War.
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"Thinks for thanking of me" - Scott Lang, Captain America: Civil War.
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I really like the first Thor movie. It is colorful, fun, creative and has ton of really good and epic scenes. It is fun action flick, but it is not near the top tier of Marvel's greatest: Captain America 1-3, Guardians of the Galaxy 1-2 (which are the best films in the franchise) and Avengers 1. Ant-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Doctor Strange and Avengers 2 are just right after them, then comes Iron Man 2-3, Thor the Dark World and The Incredible Hulk.
Interesting to see where Thor Ragnarök and Homecoming land.
And Ant-Man is awesome. Shrinking is a fun ability and being able to control ants leads to creative solutions if pressed. Especially liked the idea that he smuggles them with him to the building. Ant-Man found a good niche for itself in the heist-movie setup, especially since the character has seen some very different styles. Hank was a science hero fighting monsters and other scientists, Scott was a reformed criminal using his knowledge of criminal life to help the world and Eric O'Grady was a little piece of crap of an antihero, always misusing and taking advantage of others with his powers. Scott is by far the one easiest of these to make a compelling good guy character that audiences can root for.
And, lest we forget (which I wish I could), the stupendously lame Iron Man 3, Super Pepper (who has, it seems, been written out for the time being, and thankfully so), and the wasted use of Sir Ben Kingsley (who nevertheless managed to make his appearance awesome as s&*#).
I liked Iron Man 3. The Mandarin changing between great Menace and bumbling actor was alone worth it. adding Stark trying to get his newest toy to work was a nice addition.
Even the real enemey had something. I would have liked that the creator of Extremis to be the real enemey, but that could have looked to much like an angry ex trying to get revenge on Tony.
And wasn't Pepper depowered in the end? Not that it matters after Paltrow leaving the franchise. I doubt that they will recast Pepper.
I love that they used Gil-Scott Heron for the music.
i'm super excited for this movie!
The music isn't what sells it for me. The acting (Boseman sells his African accent) and the visuals. This is a Black Panther movie.
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Yep, this trailer looks better (awesome!) than the first. I am hyped.
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I am so EXCITED about this movie. The only thing I'm more excited for is THE LAST JEDI and AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR. I love the look of Wakanda, I love the look of the Panther suit transformation. I love Klaw's Sonic weapon arm. I love the look of Erik Killmonger. I love the look of the movie in general.
I also really like that idea that it's an internal matter and not some world-shattering event that he has to stop. It looks like Killmonger is a revolutionary who wants to change the status quo by destroying it and that means T'challa has to go.
Love the shot of him running up the wall in what looks like Korea. That's taken right out of the first issue or two of Priest's run.
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I mostly liked the trailer, but sort of groaned when they showed that killmonger would also be in a black panther suit.
Oh Marvel...did you really need to do the whole "villain is an evil version of the good guy" thing again? We already saw it in Iron Man 2 and 3, Captain America, Hulk, and Antman.
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Well, yeah, it is kinda safe option. But it is also powerful storytelling tool, especially if you want to contrast and compare the hero and villain. They do that for a reason. Abomination is Hulk without any morality, just destroying stuff for fun, ie how Thunderbolt Ross and most of the world sees him, and by beating him he proves not to be this. Same for Tony Stark; Warmonger is evil capitalist who exploits people and gets rich on the cost of human life- the thing the reporter accused Tony being at the start of the movie and what Tony struggles with in the movie.
Is it overused? Yeah, definitely. But it also works if done right. And since Killmonger's goal seems to be "Wakanda is not working, time for new ruler and new rules" and T'Challa struggling with being a good king and a good man, making villain a Black Panther-like costume is just visual continuation of that theme.
Love the shot of him running up the wall in what looks like Korea. That's taken right out of the first issue or two of Priest's run.
And the digital/purple energy suit is similar to one used in Ta-Nehisi Coates run. They are really digging their hands to the whole Panther comic mythos. I would not be surprised if he wears a cape at some moment.
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I would not be surprised if he wears a cape at some moment.
NO CAPES!
Ros,
I don't think capes are in this movie. I DO hope the Djalia is in this though. That was probably one of Coates better moves.
Also glad a) Andy got a prosthesis in this movie and b) it's not shaped like bull horn.
Why is Batman on the Justice League? He's just a guy with a fancy belt and a rodent fetish. :PBats are not rodents.
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Ah, good. Glad to see many other players are aware of this.
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I was already sold, but the revelation that it's probably going to be a movie in and about Wakanda has me nearly clapping my hands with glee.
T'Challa has been a favorite of mine since I saw him being a total badass in some back-feature in... I wanna say Marvel Comics Presents or something along those lines... in 1991 or so. He looked cool, he had a straightforward iconography, and he wasn't beholden to any of what my nine-year-old brain considered the "main" Marvel titles (anything with an X in front of it, the Avengers or their members, or Spider-Man stuff- I never dug the Fantastic Four, and I never got into a non-Joe Fixit Hulk) for a sense of gravitas.
(As an aside, he was also the first black superhero that I encountered in my youthful reading who I regarded as cool- none of Luke Cage's badly written pseudo-jive, not anyone's sidekick, didn't have Bishop's mullet...)
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Black Panther kicked ass in Avengers - Earth's Mightiest Heroes. So did Hawkeye.
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