Planar Binding - as a Cleric

[RoseCrown]

I know I've seen a way for Clerics to get the Planar Binding spells, but I don't remember where. Who does?

[MichaelCullen]

The Rune get Lesser Planar Binding.
Many of the subdomains have planar binding only for their subtype. For example Daemon, Devil ect.

[Pounce]

Void domain gets all Planar Binding spells. Add together with the Glory domain for easy charisma checks to impose your will >:)

[Mysterious Stranger]

Why bother with Planar Binding when clerics already get Planar Ally. The Planar Ally spells are actually better because there is no danger of the outsider breaking free and attacking you. The outsider you call is also not hostile to you afterwards so calling it up again and a again is not a problem.

[RoseCrown]

Pounce wrote:

Void domain gets all Planar Binding spells. Add together with the Glory domain for easy charisma checks to impose your will >:)

Void is perfect, thank you!

But since I can't find a deity with Void and Glory, that would have to be it. Unless I can't figure out something clever.

(Actually, planning on taking an Archtype that leaves me with only a single Domain anyway, so yeah).

[Pounce]

RoseCrown wrote:

Pounce wrote:

Void domain gets all Planar Binding spells. Add together with the Glory domain for easy charisma checks to impose your will >:)

Void is perfect, thank you!

But since I can't find a deity with Void and Glory, that would have to be it. Unless I can't figure out something clever.

(Actually, planning on taking an Archtype that leaves me with only a single Domain anyway, so yeah).

Either you could be a cleric of an ideal, or if there's a deity you like, you could go with the Separatist archetype? In which case I'd probably recommend getting Void as the "forbidden" domain, since the 1st level power doesn't scale, and the 8th level power save is not determined by your level, only its uses / day are :)

But if you are going with a domain-sacrificing archetype, Void is pretty solid by itself. Either way, happy to help!

[Douglas Muir 406]

Mysterious Stranger wrote:

Why bother with Planar Binding when clerics already get Planar Ally. The Planar Ally spells are actually better because there is no danger of the outsider breaking free and attacking you. The outsider you call is also not hostile to you afterwards so calling it up again and a again is not a problem.

At midlevels (9th through 14th or so), the high cost of Planar Ally makes it less useful than Planar Binding. Yes, the outsider is not hostile, but it's really frickin' expensive.

Also: Planar Binding is just much much MUCH more flexible. Planar Binding, you can choose from every darn outsider in six Bestiaries. Need a creature with charm abilities? A teleporter? A possessor? Something that's immune to acid and can swim? You can find it. Planar Ally, you can only get whatever creature your deity (your DM) decides to send you.

At high levels, the curves cross; if you're 18th level, the cost of a Planar Ally spell is starting to become chump change compared to your average WBL. But for mid-level characters, it's almost prohibitive, and it definitely makes this spell less attractive.

Doug M.

[Douglas Muir 406]

RoseCrown wrote:

Pounce wrote:

Void domain gets all Planar Binding spells. Add together with the Glory domain for easy charisma checks to impose your will >:)

Void is perfect, thank you!

Void is excellent and is really all you need.

If you want to dig around a bit, check out DMDM's Guide to Planar Binding; DMDM's Guide to the Diabolist; and the "Crowdsourcing Planar Binding" threads from a couple of years back (several dozen popular targets for this spell reviewed and compared).

Doug M.

[RoseCrown]

Douglas Muir 406 wrote:

If you want to dig around a bit, check out DMDM's Guide to Planar Binding; DMDM's Guide to the Diabolist; and the "Crowdsourcing Planar Binding" threads from a couple of years back (several dozen popular targets for this spell reviewed and compared).

Already have that as a favorite, thank you :)