I've searched the rules and message boards but I can't find a definitive answer for the following question:
Do the mythic path abilities: Divine Source and Mythic Spellcasting work together?
I understand the whole Spell-like Ability argument, but Mythic Spellcasting specifically states, "To select a mythic spell, you must be able to cast the non-mythic version or have it on your list of spells known." and Divine Source says, "Each day as a spell-like ability, you can cast one spell of each level equal to or less than your tier (selecting from those available to you from your divine source domains)."
I read that as it is cast (even though it is a SP), therefore they work together.
I would agree with you based on a quick reading of the abilities.
I've ruled it as they don't work together in my WotR game
I dont agree, spell-like ability is not a spell. If you are a non caster this doesn't give you a spell list or the ability to cast spell. Its an ability that is spell like.
You're wrong, per RAW the ability to cast a spell as a SLA does give you the ability to cast this spell. An Aasimar with his daylight as SLA qualify for PrC such as Eldritch Knight, this is official...
So yes, if you have a spell whom you can cast as an SLA you can cast this spell... So you can choose these spells as Mythic if they exist in Mythic form and when you cast them it will be in Mythic form... But you won't grant Mythic version of this spell unless the people you grant it to has chosen Mythic Spellcasting and this spell as Mythic... ;)
They definitely don't stack. The guidelines for Mythic Spellcasting are quite clear. Ruling otherwise would open up the whole of mythic spells for abuse.
I do not believe SLAs can be used to enter PrCs any more, or for many other things, pursuant to February 2015's
Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?
Only if the pre-requisite calls out the name of a spell explicitly. For instance, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat. However, the barghest's dimension door would not meet requirements such as "Ability to cast 4th level spells" or "Ability to cast arcane spells".
Also, for the OP though not for PrCs,
The absolutely correct answer is "spell-like abilities are not spells, and therefore do not count as spells for anything that requires actual spellcasting."
EDIT: The FAQ there was a reversal of an earlier FAQ that did allow SLAs to be used for early entry into PrCs; I suspect that's what Loengrin was thinking of.
The absolutely correct answer is "spell-like abilities are not spells, and therefore do not count as spells for anything that requires actual spellcasting."EDIT: The FAQ there was a reversal of an earlier FAQ that did allow SLAs to be used for early entry into PrCs; I suspect that's what Loengrin was thinking of.
I stand corrected ;)
Ok I was not in touch with this new faq thanks for pointing it out to me, I will change my rules accordingly :)
You can grant divine spells to those who follow your cause, allowing them to select you as their deity for the purposes of determining their spells and domains. Select two domains upon taking this ability. These domains must be alignment domains matching your alignment if possible, unless your alignment is neutral. You grant access to these domains as if you were a deity. Creatures that gain spells from you don't receive any spells per day of levels higher than your tier; they lose those spell slots. In addition, you can cast spells from domains you grant as long as their level is equal to or less than your tier. Each day as a spell-like ability, you can cast one spell of each level equal to or less than your tier (selecting from those available to you from your divine source domains). If you're a cleric or you venerate a deity, you may change your spell domains to those you grant others. At 6th tier and 9th tier, you can select this ability again, adding one domain and two subdomains (see the Advanced Player's Guide) to your list each time and adding their spells to the list of those that you can cast.
You can learn a number of mythic spells equal to your tier and can expend mythic power when casting them to enhance the results. To select a mythic spell, you must be able to cast the non-mythic version or have it on your list of spells known. Every time you gain a new tier, you can select an additional mythic spell. You can take this ability up to three times. Each additional time you take it, you can select an additional number of spells equal to your tier and you gain one additional mythic spell whenever you gain a tier.
Depending on how you parse the bolded sections of the abilities it either works or doesn't.
Mythic spellcasting says you must be able to cast a spell. The first bolded section of Divine source says you are able to cast a spell. Therefore criteria met. YAY.
However if you parse mythic spellcasting to mean you must be able to cast a spell as a spell and not a spell like ability, that in conjuntion with the second half of the bolding in divine source means you are not able to use those spells to qualify.
I personally feel that technically, you may be unable to use these two in conjunction, however I feel that we are talking about Mythic here so why wouldnt the being that literally gives people spells, be able to cast mythic versions of those spells?
I dont agree, spell-like ability is not a spell. If you are a non caster this doesn't give you a spell list or the ability to cast spell. Its an ability that is spell like.
It has been FAQ'd that having a spell as an SLA does count as casting for purposes of the specific spell(s) possessed as SLA(s).
Okay, thanks... however asI do not believe SLAs can be used to enter PrCs any more, or for many other things, pursuant to February 2015's
The absolutely correct answer is "spell-like abilities are not spells, and therefore do not count as spells for anything that requires actual spellcasting."
Mythic spellcasting says you must be able to cast a spell. The first bolded section of Divine source says you are able to cast a spell. Therefore criteria met.
Sadly, my guess would be that stating they are cast is just a technicality and overall they should be viewed as an SLA. Therefore, due to the ruling change (which I'm just now learning about), the two path abilities do no work together.
Thanks GM Rednal, I didn't know about that one.