Pathfinder Player Companion: Disciple's Doctrine (PFRPG)

[Chris Lambertz]

Announced for January 2018! Image and description are not final.

[Feros]

I like this idea and am interested in the actual doctrine of the Prophets of Kalistrade.

[Joana]

Thanks for this batch of reveals, Chris, to console those of us not at PaizoCon!

[Thomas Seitz]

Sweet!!! I'm looking forward to more Esoteric Order stuff! :D

[Plausible Pseudonym]

Super awkward name.

[Rysky]

Ooooo!

[DM Beckett]

Really, the only one I'm particularly interested in might be the Shoanti Shaman, and that's primarily if they make the Shoanti Shaman Cleric legal/official.

Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye, the Prophets of Kalistrade, and Magnimar's Mystery Cults we kind of already have plenty of stuff for them. Nothing else really needed. Maybe Magnimar mystery cults, but more information sort of seems counter productive.

And yes, the name is very awkward. Almost a negative connotation.

[Plausible Pseudonym]

Is the Esoteric Order really appropriate for this book? I never thought of them as a religion, just a quasi-secret society with rituals and handshakes for their own sake.

[Dragon78]

Dot.

[Rysky]

Plausible Pseudonym wrote:

Is the Esoteric Order really appropriate for this book? I never thought of them as a religion, just a quasi-secret society with rituals and handshakes for their own sake.

The follow the works of the Angel Tabris so that makes them quasi-religious I guess?

[Paladinosaur]

Rysky wrote:

Plausible Pseudonym wrote:

Is the Esoteric Order really appropriate for this book? I never thought of them as a religion, just a quasi-secret society with rituals and handshakes for their own sake.

The follow the works of the Angel Tabris so that makes them quasi-religious I guess?

I didn't know that. Must research!

[DM Beckett]

From what I recall, yes they do study the works of Tabris, but they do so from a purely non-religious, arcane perspective to get secret knowledge and political influence. They don't really follow the teachings of Tabris, just study it and other obscure lore.

[graywulfe]

Here's hoping for something useful for my Mesmerist member of the Kalistocracy.

And then further hope that whatever it is, is PFS legal... :D

[Fourshadow]

The Shoanti!? SWEEEEEEEEET! Again, looking forward to it.

[Eric Hinkle]

Hopefully the Priesthood of Razmir will get some more detail in this book.

[Thomas Seitz]

Beckett,

It has religious overtones due to the fact their esoteric learnings and probably fighting against things not meant to be known.

[Gorbacz]

Great name, dotting.

[DM Beckett]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Beckett,

It has religious overtones due to the fact their esoteric learnings and probably fighting against things not meant to be known.

You could be right, it's been a while since I looked at them, but I was pretty sure they where pretty strictly not religious, and even scoffed at it in favor of secret secular understanding.

[CorvusMask]

I'm just hoping that if this book features some obscure polytheistic cult that they actually use word polytheism .-.

I mean, I've noticed strange thing that in older Pathfinder material Polytheism is used correctly then after Faiths & Philosophies its used inconsistently ._. Like starting from F&P referring it as Pantheism, Tombs of Golarion corrects Pantheistic Blessing as Polytheistic Blessing, but like Villain Codex as as possible encounter mix "Dark Pantheists".

[Valantrix1]

This could be interesting.

[Marco Massoudi]

Personally, i´m more interested in the organisations themselves (history, members etc), than in their spells and feats.

And yes, the name isn´t good, it sounds like going to a real bad school...

[I'm Hiding In Your Closet]

Looking forward to it - this sounds like a particularly good idea!

[Dragon78]

I feel kind of "on the fence" about this one, I will wait to see the updated description before I make my final decision.

[jedi8187]

Interesting. The Shaonti interest me. The Kami stuff too

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm less on the fence than I am "I hope more crunch for Esoteric Order" to help my PCs that might want to try Carrion Crown.

[Delightful]

Interesting.

[Quandary]

Interesting. Curious if they do the Oracular Court, which seems like it could fall under the rubric here.
I'm curious how they may exist outside as well as within Po Li where they run the machinery of state.
Some exposition on them seems like a good starting point to expanding on history of Tian Xa, Lung Wa, etc.

[M the Magnificent]

I like!

[doc roc]

DM Beckett wrote:

Really, the only one I'm particularly interested in might be the Shoanti Shaman, and that's primarily if they make the Shoanti Shaman Cleric legal/official.

Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye, the Prophets of Kalistrade, and Magnimar's Mystery Cults we kind of already have plenty of stuff for them. Nothing else really needed. Maybe Magnimar mystery cults, but more information sort of seems counter productive.

And yes, the name is very awkward. Almost a negative connotation.

There is some interesting stuff by the looks of things

I'd never heard of the Shoanti Shaman..... sort of looks like the Separatist archetype

[I'm Hiding In Your Closet]

DM Beckett wrote:

Really, the only one I'm particularly interested in might be the Shoanti Shaman, and that's primarily if they make the Shoanti Shaman Cleric legal/official.

I'd like a better Sarkoris God-Caller.

DM Beckett wrote:

Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye, the Prophets of Kalistrade, and Magnimar's Mystery Cults we kind of already have plenty of stuff for them. Nothing else really needed. Maybe Magnimar mystery cults, but more information sort of seems counter productive.

Couldn't agree less.

I'm particularly interested in more Palatine Eye stuff, since I have a True Silvered Throne character. I'd like it if they came up with some Palatine Eye feats or whatever (like their pseudo-Osirian sacred utterances from Occult Mysteries) that could be used in PFS as an improvement on their current policy of granting Iron Will at 8th level, which, when you're a Wisdom-based 0-9 mage, is gilding the lily a bit.

DM Beckett wrote:

And yes, the name is very awkward. Almost a negative connotation.

I see your point.

"Disciples and Devotions," maybe?

"Disciple's Path?"

"Sacred Lands of the Disciples?" Cyber-cookie if you get that.

[Steve Geddes]

This looks fantastic. Paizo's stuff on religion, cults and faiths is always exceptional.

[Thomas Seitz]

Hide,

I'm with you on more stuff for Palatine Eye. It would make Carrion Crown that much cooler. (Well that and the fact the main villain needs to show up more often...)

[Berselius]

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

[Gorbacz]

Berselius wrote:

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

I wouldn't hold much breath, all three are far too mainstream for this hipster book.

[Rysky]

Gorbacz wrote:

Berselius wrote:

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

I wouldn't hold much breath, all three are far too mainstream for this hipster book.

Neshen!

[Thomas Seitz]

I'd prefer more stuff for Carrion Crown anyway...

Also didn't you get some stuff in Bestiary 6, Ber?

[QuidEst]

Berselius wrote:

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

This is a book for people who don't worship particular deities, so this is not the book for that.

[Rysky]

QuidEst wrote:

Berselius wrote:

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

This is a book for people who don't worship particular deities, so this is not the book for that.

Don't the Magnimar Mystery Cults worship the Empyreal Lords?

[captain yesterday]

Yes. :-)

[Berselius]

Rysky wrote:

QuidEst wrote:

Berselius wrote:

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

This is a book for people who don't worship particular deities, so this is not the book for that.

Don't the Magnimar Mystery Cults worship the Empyreal Lords?

Ayup, which is why I'm wondering if we'll get some cool stuff for the various Mystery Cults based in Magnimar. Maybe some info on particular dance halls (or burlesque parlors) where worship of Arshea is centered (possibly guarded by Swan Maidens devoted to the Spirit of Abandon)?

Or maybe a Cavalier Order that reveres Ragathiel and carries out righteous warfare against the vile powers of Golarion in his name? I'm always up for some occult-based mysticism when it comes to Black Butterfly as well (perhaps an archetype to the Psychic class) :D

[Set]

Berselius wrote:

Please PLEASE let worshipers of Arshea, Ragathiel, and Black Butterfly get something cool in this.

Ashava (moon-dancin' ghosts?), Sorolan (mystic monuments?), and, uh, some other person (seagulls?), seem to be the big three Empyreals worshipped in Magnimar, IIRC, so I'd expect to see more on them.

[Gorbacz]

I'd love some more info on Ashava, they're my favourite obscure Empyreal Lord!

[I'm Hiding In Your Closet]

I assume it's too late to incorporate anything like this into this book, but you know what Golarion needs in general that could have fit great into this book?

A non-deific philosophy that's all about the practice of alchemy as a spiritual path, much like it has been historically.

[Marco Massoudi]

Looks like there will be no Player Companion in february.

At least it's the only monthly product line not having received a february product page today.

[Thomas Seitz]

Marco,

Maybe they wanted to take the day off for Valentine's day...

[Marco Massoudi]

Whatever the reason, there won´t be a PC in february as it looks.

That´s okay in my book, i think a lot of Player Companions are produced very rushed and badly edited (the notable exception being everything overseen by Owen).

[Alchemaic]

Voluntary Poverty benefits when?

[Rysky]

*crosses fingers for Pact Wizard style archetype for Clerics*

[Bardess]

Magaambyan clerics, maybe?

[Rysky]

Oooo!