Can I use Style Strike with the BAB attack when I use Flurry of Blows?


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Grand Lodge

If the Flurry of Blows make your whole attack in my turn become a kind of Flurry of Blow,it could be.
However,if only the additional attack which come from Flurry of Blow is Flurry of Blow ,it could not be.
I do not know which one is right.


sal wattre wrote:

If the Flurry of Blows make your whole attack in my turn become a kind of Flurry of Blow,it could be.

However,if only the additional attack which come from Flurry of Blow is Flurry of Blow ,it could not be.
I do not know which one is right.

Not quite sure what you're asking, but reading how unchained monks work ...

Mona the Monk flurries at 6th level and wants to use her Flying Kick. Her normal attacks are +6/+1, and Flurry adds a +6.

Her style strike has to be one of her unarmed attacks here. In the strict reading, it has to be one of the ones gained from Flurry, which are always at full BAB, so the +6. Worst case scenario is that you can sub out any attack for it ... wait, that's worst case? Huh.


sal wattre wrote:

If the Flurry of Blows make your whole attack in my turn become a kind of Flurry of Blow,it could be.

However,if only the additional attack which come from Flurry of Blow is Flurry of Blow ,it could not be.
I do not know which one is right.

So basically what you're asking is if you can designate the first attack in a Flurry of Blows, made at your full BAB, as your style strike?

Yeah, as long as it's an unarmed strike, there does not appear to be anything in the rules that says it can't be your first attack.


Qaianna wrote:
In the strict reading, it has to be one of the ones gained from Flurry, which are always at full BAB, so the +6.

No, this is simply wrong. Flurry isn't a bonus attack, Flurry is a full-attack action with a bonus attack. Every attack you make as part of that full-attack action (your regular attack at full BAB, your iterative attacks, the bonus attack(s) from Flurry, the bonus attack from Haste et al., and even the bonus attack you get by spending a ki point) is part of the Flurry and thus a suitable target for Style Strikes.


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Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.

It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.


Helpful Harry wrote:
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Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.
It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.

Unless you have the correct feat, then it can be a monk weapon.


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graystone wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Quote:
Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.
It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.
Unless you have the correct feat, then it can be a monk weapon.

Don't ask how you headbutt using brass knuckles. There in lies madness!

It's a punch, I tell you! YOU CAN'T HEADBUTT WITH YOUR FISTS!


Harrowed by Abstraction wrote:
graystone wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Quote:
Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.
It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.
Unless you have the correct feat, then it can be a monk weapon.

Don't ask how you headbutt using brass knuckles. There in lies madness!

It's a punch, I tell you! YOU CAN'T HEADBUTT WITH YOUR FISTS!

LOL Ascetic Form "Benefit: You can use the chosen melee weapon with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk’s style strike ability."


graystone wrote:
Harrowed by Abstraction wrote:
graystone wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Quote:
Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.
It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.
Unless you have the correct feat, then it can be a monk weapon.

Don't ask how you headbutt using brass knuckles. There in lies madness!

It's a punch, I tell you! YOU CAN'T HEADBUTT WITH YOUR FISTS!

LOL Ascetic Form "Benefit: You can use the chosen melee weapon with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk’s style strike ability."

Except that style strikes outright state how you have to strike. Now, if you tape your brass knuckles to your forehead, I might allow you to do it. (Note that I'm not saying that I'd let you succeed ... )

(And I may have used 'bonus' a little too casually earlier. My apologies.)


Qaianna wrote:
graystone wrote:
Harrowed by Abstraction wrote:
graystone wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Quote:
Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.
It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.
Unless you have the correct feat, then it can be a monk weapon.

Don't ask how you headbutt using brass knuckles. There in lies madness!

It's a punch, I tell you! YOU CAN'T HEADBUTT WITH YOUR FISTS!

LOL Ascetic Form "Benefit: You can use the chosen melee weapon with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk’s style strike ability."

Except that style strikes outright state how you have to strike. Now, if you tape your brass knuckles to your forehead, I might allow you to do it. (Note that I'm not saying that I'd let you succeed ... )

(And I may have used 'bonus' a little too casually earlier. My apologies.)

the feat give an exception to the rule. Specific rules overide general ones. I find it strange to say that a feat doesn't what it clearly states. 'you can use the chosen weapon with a style strike' would seem to indicate you CAN do what it says. Style strikes normally require a fist, kick or head-butt but the feat allows you to replace ANY of them with your weapon. So you can headbutt with a Shuriken, Seven-branched sword, Sansetsukon, wushu dart, cestus OR brass knuckles [or any other monk weapon/monk group weapon] if you have the feat and don't wish to use your head. Or if you REALLY want to blow your mind, if you wanted to you could use one of the other unarmed methods, so you could use a kick or punch to Headbutt!!!


Ascetic style (unarmed strike)?

Testicle headbutt! Shattering Buttsmash! Spin Lick!

The possibilities are as endless as they are mindmeltingly pointless!


graystone wrote:
Qaianna wrote:
graystone wrote:
Harrowed by Abstraction wrote:
graystone wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Quote:
Whenever he makes a flurry of blows, he can designate one of his unarmed strikes as a style strike.
It can be any attack during a flurry of blows but must be an unarmed strike.
Unless you have the correct feat, then it can be a monk weapon.

Don't ask how you headbutt using brass knuckles. There in lies madness!

It's a punch, I tell you! YOU CAN'T HEADBUTT WITH YOUR FISTS!

LOL Ascetic Form "Benefit: You can use the chosen melee weapon with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk’s style strike ability."

Except that style strikes outright state how you have to strike. Now, if you tape your brass knuckles to your forehead, I might allow you to do it. (Note that I'm not saying that I'd let you succeed ... )

(And I may have used 'bonus' a little too casually earlier. My apologies.)

the feat give an exception to the rule. Specific rules overide general ones. I find it strange to say that a feat doesn't what it clearly states. 'you can use the chosen weapon with a style strike' would seem to indicate you CAN do what it says. Style strikes normally require a fist, kick or head-butt but the feat allows you to replace ANY of them with your weapon. So you can headbutt with a Shuriken, Seven-branched sword, Sansetsukon, wushu dart, cestus OR brass knuckles [or any other monk weapon/monk group weapon] if you have the feat and don't wish to use your head. Or if you REALLY want to blow your mind, if you wanted to you could use one of the other unarmed methods, so you could use a kick or punch to Headbutt!!!

By letter, I guess that's right. But it seems poorly written, unlikely the intent of the actual feat, possibly why I think PFS hates it ...

And, most importantly, it takes the fun out of headbutting! Yeah, there's logic to using a sansetsukon to legsweep someone or a temple sword to pin a foe's foot (although using that sword for subdual damage for elbow smash seems weird). But why roll a monk if you're not going to kill ogres and dragons by smashing their skulls with your own?


Qaianna wrote:


By letter, I guess that's right. But it seems poorly written, unlikely the intent of the actual feat, possibly why I think PFS hates it ...

And, most importantly, it takes the fun out of headbutting! Yeah, there's logic to using a sansetsukon to legsweep...

Hmmm... It's actually pretty well written and super clear on intent as the example of how it works is with style strike. As to PFS, it's hard to say. May be they ran out of kids to steal candy from so they moves to this feat? ;)

And it only 'takes the fun out of headbutting' if you take the feat. No one is forcing you to take it. Add to that headbutt is just awful unless it's used in a place like PFS where you run into mostly medium sized humanoids. In a normal game the higher level you go, the lower your chances of finding small/medium foes of your type to fight.

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