paizo.com Recent Posts in INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindpaizo.com Recent Posts in INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kind2017-05-19T01:48:26Z2017-05-19T01:48:26ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindGM_Panic (alias of Johnny_Panic)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#302017-05-28T06:28:18Z2017-05-26T10:29:25Z<p>I would be very interested I know just the lady who would like to play.</p>I would be very interested I know just the lady who would like to play.GM_Panic (alias of Johnny_Panic)2017-05-26T10:29:25ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindItsmehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#292017-05-26T07:02:37Z2017-05-26T07:02:37Z<p>For a truly evil AP, i would be most interested in Kingmaker (or a derived custom setting); indeed becouse it is set up to have the players as the prime movers (and becouse i have been interested in that AP for a while as well).</p>
<p>In Mid-to-high levels, perhaps some templates would be an option as well.</p>For a truly evil AP, i would be most interested in Kingmaker (or a derived custom setting); indeed becouse it is set up to have the players as the prime movers (and becouse i have been interested in that AP for a while as well).
In Mid-to-high levels, perhaps some templates would be an option as well.Itsme2017-05-26T07:02:37ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindTheWaskallyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#282017-05-26T08:59:45Z2017-05-25T01:24:27Z<p>Holy S#!T!</p>Holy S#!T!TheWaskally2017-05-25T01:24:27ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindScorchedOnehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#272017-05-24T14:35:58Z2017-05-24T14:35:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MannyGoblin wrote:</div><blockquote> Re:Jade Regent. Have Scribbleface survive and lead adventurers to wipe out the Licktoads and then go to the new land with Ameiko, players are survivors seeking revenge. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">The Lion Cleric wrote:</div><blockquote>I also quite enjoy the Jade Regent idea of being the shadowy puppetmasters behind the throne.</blockquote><p>I actually played in an evil Jade Regent campaign. We...
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>MannyGoblin wrote:Re:Jade Regent. Have Scribbleface survive and lead adventurers to wipe out the Licktoads and then go to the new land with Ameiko, players are survivors seeking revenge.
The Lion Cleric wrote:I also quite enjoy the Jade Regent idea of being the shadowy puppetmasters behind the throne.
I actually played in an evil Jade Regent campaign. We... [Spoiler omitted]ScorchedOne2017-05-24T14:35:58ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindInsane KillMaster (alias of Nutcase Entertainment)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#262017-05-24T07:15:37Z2017-05-24T07:15:37Z<p>Hell's Vengeance's "leash" is less because of Asmodeus, but more due to other constrains, heck, CN, CE and NE have an easier time in it than LE.</p>Hell's Vengeance's "leash" is less because of Asmodeus, but more due to other constrains, heck, CN, CE and NE have an easier time in it than LE.Insane KillMaster (alias of Nutcase Entertainment)2017-05-24T07:15:37ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindDM waz up? (alias of william Nightmoon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#252017-05-19T16:51:40Z2017-05-19T16:35:11Z<p>Well, after all the interest(and good ideas) I think I'll do a Skulls and Shackles. Frankly it's the easiest to make evil. </p>
<p>I'll have a recruitment thread for it open soon.</p>
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucyi?Skulls-and-Shackles-The-Sea-of-Evil#1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> Recuitment here</a></p>Well, after all the interest(and good ideas) I think I'll do a Skulls and Shackles. Frankly it's the easiest to make evil.
I'll have a recruitment thread for it open soon.
Recuitment hereDM waz up? (alias of william Nightmoon)2017-05-19T16:35:11ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindGarzak RedDrake (alias of Dave Chua)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#242017-05-24T09:26:20Z2017-05-19T15:18:45Z<p>You had me at evil.</p>You had me at evil.Garzak RedDrake (alias of Dave Chua)2017-05-19T15:18:45ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindPhilo Pharynxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#232017-05-19T12:22:04Z2017-05-19T12:22:04Z<p>oh, I love an evil game. I agree that lots of AP's can be fixed. What I would suggest is that applicants write a piece on how their character is evil and what their motivation is to work with the party. </p>
<p>And monstrous characters are very interesting.</p>oh, I love an evil game. I agree that lots of AP's can be fixed. What I would suggest is that applicants write a piece on how their character is evil and what their motivation is to work with the party.
And monstrous characters are very interesting.Philo Pharynx2017-05-19T12:22:04ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindSeth86https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#222017-05-19T07:46:02Z2017-05-19T07:46:02Z<p>Dotting for evil game =^^=</p>Dotting for evil game =^^=Seth862017-05-19T07:46:02ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindBrentol Snow (alias of colin spear)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#212017-05-19T06:47:30Z2017-05-19T06:47:30Z<p>I agree we all love to play heroes but we all want to experience the other side of morality.</p>I agree we all love to play heroes but we all want to experience the other side of morality.Brentol Snow (alias of colin spear)2017-05-19T06:47:30ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindThe Lion Cleric (alias of Evgeni Genadiev)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#202017-05-19T07:28:54Z2017-05-19T06:34:21Z<p>Those are excellent suggestions! </p>
<p>I could see a Mummy's Mask group of adventurers that go full Rhodesia on Osirion, exploiting the natives and the tombs for untold riches and power, and I also quite enjoy the Jade Regent idea of being the shadowy puppetmasters behind the throne. Council of Thieves is... well, an obvious option here, too.</p>
<p>For a bit more of a frontal, terrifying force of visible authority, I think Kingmaker would be good, bringing the choice between submission or death to those there. For absolute corruption and horror, being the demonic/devilish/daemonic figures defending Golarion from those who'd take it from us, Wrath of the Righteous would be interesting. Although, that'd also involve powers ordering us about, I imagine.</p>
<p>As for the homebrew ideas, I wouldn't mind the Dungeon Keeper idea. Figuring out how to defend your bastion of evil from pesky paladins is just as fun! (Pits. Paladins fall easily.)</p>
<p>But seeing the response the thread is getting, I'm pretty sure there'd be enough interest. •maniacal laugh•</p>Those are excellent suggestions!
I could see a Mummy's Mask group of adventurers that go full Rhodesia on Osirion, exploiting the natives and the tombs for untold riches and power, and I also quite enjoy the Jade Regent idea of being the shadowy puppetmasters behind the throne. Council of Thieves is... well, an obvious option here, too.
For a bit more of a frontal, terrifying force of visible authority, I think Kingmaker would be good, bringing the choice between submission or death to...The Lion Cleric (alias of Evgeni Genadiev)2017-05-19T06:34:21ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindΔaedalus (alias of Daedalus the Dungeon Builder)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#192017-05-19T05:54:29Z2017-05-19T05:25:50Z<p>You could actually pull off any AP with the proper twist:</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>You could actually pull off any AP with the proper twist:
[Spoiler omitted]Δaedalus (alias of Daedalus the Dungeon Builder)2017-05-19T05:25:50ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindMannyGoblin (alias of Andrea1)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#182017-05-19T04:47:20Z2017-05-19T04:47:20Z<p>Re:Jade Regent. Have Scribbleface survive and lead adventurers to wipe out the Licktoads and then go to the new land with Ameiko, players are survivors seeking revenge.</p>
<p>Idea I have for a character is based off of the computer game Fallen London. A Seeker of the Name who is more interested in honing their skills and indulging their hungers than any lofty ideal. Working with morally challenged people on an AP gives plenty of opportunity for both.</p>Re:Jade Regent. Have Scribbleface survive and lead adventurers to wipe out the Licktoads and then go to the new land with Ameiko, players are survivors seeking revenge.
Idea I have for a character is based off of the computer game Fallen London. A Seeker of the Name who is more interested in honing their skills and indulging their hungers than any lofty ideal. Working with morally challenged people on an AP gives plenty of opportunity for both.MannyGoblin (alias of Andrea1)2017-05-19T04:47:20ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindLoup Blanchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#172017-05-19T05:55:21Z2017-05-19T04:41:26Z<p>I actually think a number of the Adventure Paths could be played with some tweaking to allow for—and fit—a primarily evil or morally-dubious party.</p>
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<p>Those are just my thoughts on some of the APs that I can particularly see working well with this kind of idea. I do really like the "accidental hero" angle as a concept, though: A game where evil PCs stumble into heroism completely without trying to sounds like a lot of fun. Any of the games that kick off with big trouble would fit well for that.</p>I actually think a number of the Adventure Paths could be played with some tweaking to allow for--and fit--a primarily evil or morally-dubious party.
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Those are just my thoughts on some of the APs that I can particularly see working well with this kind of idea. I do really like the "accidental hero" angle as a concept, though: A game where evil PCs stumble into heroism completely without trying to sounds like a lot of fun. Any of the games that kick off with big trouble...Loup Blanc2017-05-19T04:41:26ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindTheWaskallyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#162017-05-19T04:13:32Z2017-05-19T04:12:13Z<p>Yes! If you choose Hell's vengeance, I have a character already made, for a stalled HV campaign!</p>Yes! If you choose Hell's vengeance, I have a character already made, for a stalled HV campaign!TheWaskally2017-05-19T04:12:13ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindTeiidaehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#152017-05-19T04:10:17Z2017-05-19T04:10:17Z<p>I've always wanted to play way of the wicked or evil king maker. I'm dotting for sure.</p>I've always wanted to play way of the wicked or evil king maker. I'm dotting for sure.Teiidae2017-05-19T04:10:17ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindDM waz up? (alias of william Nightmoon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#142017-05-19T03:46:51Z2017-05-19T03:46:51Z<p>Well the reason I set this up is because I have a character (I actually love this idea too much!) A cleric of the mother of monsters, Lamashtu. Unfortunately most DM frown apon having a Psychotic murderer as the party healer.</p>
<p>And yes, I will be allowing more monsterous characters, able to look the part as well as play it. Of course I have a few custom races I have made to fit some of those rolls. And as for playing a dragon I will allow the dragon exemplar from "in the company of dragons".</p>
<p>And after all this is mostly an interest check to pull up ideas, frankly my Homebrew works best when others help.</p>Well the reason I set this up is because I have a character (I actually love this idea too much!) A cleric of the mother of monsters, Lamashtu. Unfortunately most DM frown apon having a Psychotic murderer as the party healer.
And yes, I will be allowing more monsterous characters, able to look the part as well as play it. Of course I have a few custom races I have made to fit some of those rolls. And as for playing a dragon I will allow the dragon exemplar from "in the company of dragons".
...DM waz up? (alias of william Nightmoon)2017-05-19T03:46:51ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindLegitNamehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#132017-05-19T03:34:43Z2017-05-19T03:34:43Z<p>I am interested in an evil campaign. I've been meaning to play some sort of evil mind-controlling bard.</p>I am interested in an evil campaign. I've been meaning to play some sort of evil mind-controlling bard.LegitName2017-05-19T03:34:43ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindΔaedalus (alias of Daedalus the Dungeon Builder)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#122017-05-19T03:32:53Z2017-05-19T03:32:53Z<p>Alternatively, "Take the big bad's stuff and position." Plenty of motivation for evil characters to go after the Runelords.</p>Alternatively, "Take the big bad's stuff and position." Plenty of motivation for evil characters to go after the Runelords.Δaedalus (alias of Daedalus the Dungeon Builder)2017-05-19T03:32:53ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindAndrea1https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#112017-05-19T03:35:31Z2017-05-19T03:28:04Z<p>Lawful agents of the status quo can work. 'Put down the bigger bad so our nice kingdom isn't tipped over.'</p>Lawful agents of the status quo can work. 'Put down the bigger bad so our nice kingdom isn't tipped over.'Andrea12017-05-19T03:28:04ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindIeroxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#102017-05-19T14:30:05Z2017-05-19T03:21:20Z<p>Personally, I think the majority of APs are ill suited to playing Evil characters - in order to work well, villains need a lot more agency than the average Defender of the Status Quo style AP provides.</p>
<p>As such, we'd have to look at the very few APs where the PCs are prime movers.</p>
<p>With that in mind, we'd probably be looking at Kingmaker, Skulls and Shackles, and I'd argue that Hell's Rebels is <i>a lot</i> more suited to Evil characters than Hell's Vengeance.</p>
<p>Rise of the Runelords, Reign of Winter, Second Darkness, Carrion Crown and the like suffers from the fact that you're essentially agents of the status quo. There's nothing for our villains to gain here.</p>
<p>If you made Nirmathas and Phaendar a bit more morally grey, you could easily have the Ironfang Invasion be played by a cast of evil characters out to see the legion burn for what they did to their hometown. The party might even be able to leverage their status as field commanders (I hope this is a thing that'll happen) into political power in the destabilized nation. This is right up evil's alley.</p>
<p>Just look at these summaries from Hell's Vengeance:</p>
<p>"First as amoral mercenaries, then as retainers of the wicked archbaron of Longacre"</p>
<p>"Your villainous adventurers, now official agents of House Thrune, must retake the town"</p>
<p>"The Thrice-Damned House of Thrune wants to seal the Inferno Gate, an uncontrolled portal to Hell, and the nefarious player characters are tapped to accomplish the task"</p>
<p>"Her Infernal Majestrix Queen Abrogail II of Cheliax summons her agents to the city of Egorian to address the current crisis with the Glorious Reclamation"</p>
<p>"Now bound to Queen Abrogail by infernal contracts, the villainous adventurers are given the task of destroying the Glorious"</p>
<p>"Cheliax’s largest city, Westcrown, has fallen to the Glorious Reclamation, and the evil adventurers are sent to reclaim the city in the name of Thrune."</p>
<p>See what all those six books have in common? That's right, you're being ordered, by superiors, to put out fires that someone else started. That's cut-rate evil in service of the status quo, that is, and it offends me.</p>
<p>If I'm to play the villain, I want to start my own fires, dammit! I want to build something that lasts. Otherwise what's the point?</p>Personally, I think the majority of APs are ill suited to playing Evil characters - in order to work well, villains need a lot more agency than the average Defender of the Status Quo style AP provides.
As such, we'd have to look at the very few APs where the PCs are prime movers.
With that in mind, we'd probably be looking at Kingmaker, Skulls and Shackles, and I'd argue that Hell's Rebels is a lot more suited to Evil characters than Hell's Vengeance.
Rise of the Runelords, Reign of...Ierox2017-05-19T03:21:20ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindMannyGoblin (alias of Andrea1)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#92017-05-19T03:01:58Z2017-05-19T03:01:34Z<p>Hell's Vengeance can get characters who aren't Asmodeus worshipers, they just need to keep it under their hat about it.</p>Hell's Vengeance can get characters who aren't Asmodeus worshipers, they just need to keep it under their hat about it.MannyGoblin (alias of Andrea1)2017-05-19T03:01:34ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindalexgndlhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#82017-05-19T02:56:57Z2017-05-19T02:56:57Z<p>Oooh, I'd definitely be down for Reign of Winter. Very easy to be a bad guy there.</p>Oooh, I'd definitely be down for Reign of Winter. Very easy to be a bad guy there.alexgndl2017-05-19T02:56:57ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindThe Lion Cleric (alias of Evgeni Genadiev)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#72017-05-19T03:47:37Z2017-05-19T02:49:35Z<p>Definitely interested.</p>
<p>The question would be, what kind of evil? Would it be the diabolical quest for power, the ruthlessness of taking what you'd want by force and fear, or the more dystopian gray area of despotism and suppression of those who'd stand before you?</p>
<p>I'm actually in a somewhat evil (Good-ish neutrals becoming evil-ish neutrals) in Skulls and Shackles, as we take over the Shackles by being more terrifying than the enemy. (We made Locke cry.)</p>
<p>I'm also in a fairly morally dubious Reign of Winter, which turns out to be surprisingly possible to do.</p>
<p>I imagine ideas that might work well, for a more homebrew material, would be attempting to take over a struggling nation by working our way up from the lowest reaches of the criminal underworld to the highest spires of the nobility.</p>
<p>From what I've seen on WotW and Hell's Vengeance, it's a party of evil characters that work together for a bigger evil power, under a threat of some sort - I'd quite like an alternative, where the characters themselves have nothing to start but plans, plots, and weaponised lack of morals.</p>Definitely interested.
The question would be, what kind of evil? Would it be the diabolical quest for power, the ruthlessness of taking what you'd want by force and fear, or the more dystopian gray area of despotism and suppression of those who'd stand before you?
I'm actually in a somewhat evil (Good-ish neutrals becoming evil-ish neutrals) in Skulls and Shackles, as we take over the Shackles by being more terrifying than the enemy. (We made Locke cry.)
I'm also in a fairly morally...The Lion Cleric (alias of Evgeni Genadiev)2017-05-19T02:49:35ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: INTEREST CHECK: Evil if the most Vile kindΔaedalus (alias of Daedalus the Dungeon Builder)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ucx0?INTEREST-CHECK-Evil-if-the-most-Vile-kind#62017-05-19T12:14:51Z2017-05-19T02:43:36Z<p>Dot, dot, dot. Would monstrous characters be an option?
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Especially if we start above level 1, I've been wanting to be a dragon for a while now.</p>Dot, dot, dot. Would monstrous characters be an option?
Especially if we start above level 1, I've been wanting to be a dragon for a while now.Δaedalus (alias of Daedalus the Dungeon Builder)2017-05-19T02:43:36Z