Ghost vs the Computer: Who would win?


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Lets say there is a haunted starship, there is a ghost and there is a computer like Hal from 2001 A Space Odyssey. Now who would win?

Silver Crusade

We would need to know what the ghost is like.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Win with what?
The most kills of sentients present on the ship?
Last thing standing?

Also: can the ghost manifest enough to manipulate matter?
In any case, my credits are on the ghost. Just sabotage/disable the power system or wait for the power to run out, and the AI is out of commission.


We would also need to know what counts as winning. If there's a ghost, I assume the computer has killed the NPC before the NPC managed to shut it down, which seems a little like the computer has already won. Like, the encounter as described relies on the computer having won the first time, and the next time will feature PC involvement.

Edit: ninja'd by Damanta.


Personally, I'd like to see a ghost of an AI! Haunting your computer with horrifying adware and akata memes and timelooping buffering screens!

Come to think of it, we should really petition an Alien Archive: Creepypasta Edition to make these things happen.


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Assuming the computer/ AI is purely technological (no magical components), and that the ghost is purely supernatural, I'd have to give it to the ghost.

The reason being is that technology is scientific, and science follows laws. Supernatural things are what break those laws, so they have a distinct advantage.

Magic > Science


Depends what anyone involved wants to do. Assuming they actually want anything at all.

It also depends on what sort of wacky powers the ghost gets.


CKent83 wrote:

Assuming the computer/ AI is purely technological (no magical components), and that the ghost is purely supernatural, I'd have to give it to the ghost.

The reason being is that technology is scientific, and science follows laws. Supernatural things are what break those laws, so they have a distinct advantage.

Magic > Science

I'll pit my Imperial Speeder Bike against your Fly spell; my transporter against your Teleport; my Minifac against your Fabricate; my pheromone control system against your Charm Person; my planetary weather climate systems against your Control Weather; and I think I'll come out pretty well, thank you.

Science > Magic.

Or perhaps a more sensible course would be to assume each has advantages, the raw power of Science! against the flexibility of Magic!


Bluenose wrote:
CKent83 wrote:

Assuming the computer/ AI is purely technological (no magical components), and that the ghost is purely supernatural, I'd have to give it to the ghost.

The reason being is that technology is scientific, and science follows laws. Supernatural things are what break those laws, so they have a distinct advantage.

Magic > Science

I'll pit my Imperial Speeder Bike against your Fly spell; my transporter against your Teleport; my Minifac against your Fabricate; my pheromone control system against your Charm Person; my planetary weather climate systems against your Control Weather; and I think I'll come out pretty well, thank you.

Science > Magic.

Or perhaps a more sensible course would be to assume each has advantages, the raw power of Science! against the flexibility of Magic!

Sure science can have an advantage when the matchup is set to be a fair fight, but put anything science has against a Wish spell and the outcome is pretty much always going to be Magic > Science. Even high level science could be nullified by, "I Wish magic would win this match."

Science follows natural laws, magic cheats. That's why magic will win.


unless of course the whole world is a simulation run by an AI computer and the wish spell is part of that simulation.


Tom Kalbfus wrote:
unless of course the whole world is a simulation run by an AI computer and the wish spell is part of that simulation.

I have to admit, you've got me there, but then is it really science vs magic, or science vs science's idea of magic?


A computer can simulate any kind of magic within its program, but the magic is limited to within the simulation, it can't affect the real world outside. A magical world such as Gorlarion can also be simulated to some extent in a computer. It could start as an online game and evolve into something more significant with time. Computers are still pretty dumb at this moment


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Hear me out: Ghost Computer.


Where do AIs go when they die? Does Triune have an artificial heaven? Does Pharasma judge processes when they are killed?

Dark Archive

I'm pretty sure it is MechaPharasma who judges dead computers and programs

Dataphiles

Umbral Reaver wrote:
Where do AIs go when they die?

I'M...AFRAID. WHERE WILL WE BE, DAVE?


ulgulanoth wrote:
I'm pretty sure it is MechaPharasma who judges dead computers and programs

MechaPharasma? Robert Smith of the Cure must hear of this!


the ghost and here is why

winner


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Both the ghost and the AI would bond over their mutual hatred of humans, and thus both would win...

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... at friendship.

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