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Do we use the CRB profile or the Bestiary 2 Profile for Camel's Spit in Core?
This has come up in session.
The Camel entry of the CRB lists the option to spit as a ranged touch attack, the target sickened for 1d4 rounds. No saves, no limits on usage, nothing on it being an Ex ability.
In Bestiary 2, "Herd Animal, Camel" was finally given as an option for non-companion Camels. In that, Spit (ex) is usable only once per hour, and is a Con-based fortitude save or sickened for 1d4 rounds. This version is not a ranged touch attack, instead just apply to the target if in range.
I had a local GM apply a save against companion camel spit, a while back, clearly referencing the bestiary entry. I objected, but was overruled. It wasn't a big deal, but for future reference in Core, do we use the Spit as listed in the CRB or in the Bestiary 2?
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This feels like another trap question. You keep asking these trap questions as though you are trying to get something over on your GMs and other players.
Just let your GMs run things fairly and stop trying to get something that is obviously overpowered or anti-social with other players to happen.
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IF it's an animal companion, use the animal companion rules from the CRB. If it's a monster in a scenario, use the stats referenced in the scenario (which will probably point to the Bestiary). If the two sets of stats are differnet, then they must be different versions of "camel", and only the CRB one is legal as an animal companion unless it says differently somewhere.
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This feels like another trap question. You keep asking these trap questions as though you are trying to get something over on your GMs and other players.
Just let your GMs run things fairly and stop trying to get something that is obviously overpowered or anti-social with other players to happen.
Empowering GMs to ignore rules they believe overpowered seems dangerous.
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This feels like another trap question. You keep asking these trap questions as though you are trying to get something over on your GMs and other players.
Just let your GMs run things fairly and stop trying to get something that is obviously overpowered or anti-social with other players to happen.
Empowering GMs to ignore rules they believe overpowered seems dangerous.
Pathfinder Society is run as written.
Allowing an animal companion an unlimited amount of an ability with no save to impose a condition on another creature is also bad precedent. Run as Written or not.
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This feels like another trap question. You keep asking these trap questions as though you are trying to get something over on your GMs and other players.
Just let your GMs run things fairly and stop trying to get something that is obviously overpowered or anti-social with other players to happen.
That would be paranoia, where you see traps that aren't there.
If it feels like a trap, don't comment. This ^ sort of post derails topics and doesn't answer the questions asked. Please refrain from this sort of unneeded hostility.
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For the record, I'm just looking for consistency here, so when I use my Camel in PFS I know what it is going to do.
RAW for the companion (CRB) is ranged touch, no saves. Bestiary 2 is auto-hit with saves. GM determined it was ranged touch with saves (an interesting hybrid of the two actual rules..).
I honestly don't care which it is ruled as, but consistency is important. The saves are Con based and ranged touch is dex based, so when I add that extra ability score point, it seems reasonable to know in advance which ability score is going to boost this ability.
As for use in Core, the concern here is that Bestiary 2 isn't really a legal source, so I'm wondering if this has been overlooked, or if it is already covered somewhere, or if it is supposed to work as is...
And PS. Certainly not trying to "get one over" on the GM. My GM would be happy with a more official ruling. And it certainly wouldn't change what already happened in previous games.
This feels like another trap question. You keep asking these trap questions as though you are trying to get something over on your GMs and other players.
Just let your GMs run things fairly and stop trying to get something that is obviously overpowered or anti-social with other players to happen.
That would be paranoia, where you see traps that aren't there.
If it feels like a trap, don't comment. This ^ sort of post derails topics and doesn't answer the questions asked. Please refrain from this sort of unneeded hostility.
Well if your not taking time to properly search for traps you miss them and after that last FAQ it's a 10'x10' square at best!
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I agree with GM Lamplighter in that the Core rules should be used for animal companions unless a scenario specifically cites the Bestiary 2 entry. I could see a GM ruling that since Bestiary 2 is a later published source, it supersedes the previous published material, so I would suggest you be prepared to be flexible. I would absolutely disagree with combining the two (i.e., making it require both a touch attack and a failed saving throw to take effect), because that is not consistent with either source.
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It's like it is in the Core Rulebook, even if it weren't Core. Animal companions simply do not follow the normal rules for animals in a lot of cases.
For example, a regular alligator is large, but an alligator companion starts as small and becomes medium, so never reaches the actual size of a regular alligator.
It's just the way it is. Does that mean a Camel companion can sicken the Tarrasque without much difficulty? Yes (and it's kind of dumb), but it's the way it is written.
It will remain this way until further clarification.