Quick Oracle-Shaman Questions


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I have an Oracle with the Spirit Guide archtype which gives me a little bit of Shaman abilities.

1) If I understand this correctly, each day I can select a different Spirit and different Spirit Hex. Is that correct?

2) There is no limit to the number of times each day that I can use the Spirit Hex. Is that correct?

3) Even if the Spirit grants spells, that does me no good since I do not have Shaman list to add them to. Is that correct?


yes
just any limits imposed by the hex
the lore hex does nothing, but you get the spirit magic spells added to your list of spells known.

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Chess Pwn wrote:
... but you get the spirit magic spells added to your list of spells known.

Are you positive about this? Everyone I have asked says it does not work like that. The spells are only added to your list of shaman spells known and I don't have such a list.


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Seems clear to me it adds to the oracle list.

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At 4th level, she adds the bonded spirit’s spirit magic spells to her oracle spells known for that day, but only of spell levels she can cast. At 7th level, she gains the spirit ability of her current bonded spirit. At 15th level, she gains the greater spirit ability of her current bonded spirit.


Advanced Class Guide pg. 106 wrote:
At 4th level, she adds the bonded spirit’s spirit magic spells to her oracle spells known for that day, but only of spell levels she can cast.

You get the spells from your spirit as a function of the archetype itself. You don't get the prepared spells from the Arcane Enlightenment hex of the Lore spirit, you have no prepared spell slots.

A corner case would be if you take Versatile Spontaneity.

With Versatile Spontaneity a spontaneous caster such as an Oracle can prepare spells, which is the only impediment to them otherwise using the Arcane Enlightenment hex. Just keep in mind Wisdom counts for Charisma in Hexes and vice versa, so the text becomes

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Arcane Enlightenment (Su): The shaman’s native intelligence grants her the ability to tap into arcane lore. The shaman can add a number of spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list equal to her Wisdom modifier (minimum 1) to the list of shaman spells she can prepare. To cast these spells she must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell’s level, but the saving throw DCs of these spells are based on her Charisma rather than Intelligence. When she casts these spells, they are treated as divine rather than arcane. Each time the shaman gains a level after taking this hex, she can choose to replace one of these spells for a new spell on the wizard/sorcerer spell list.

Further, you'll also need the spells either on a scroll (which gets expended) or in a spellbook- per the rules of Versatile Spontaneity.

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Malaika de'Morcaine wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:
... but you get the spirit magic spells added to your list of spells known.
Are you positive about this? Everyone I have asked says it does not work like that. The spells are only added to your list of shaman spells known and I don't have such a list.

Perhaps the people you have asked are mis-remembering this FAQ?

FAQ wrote:

New Spells Known: If I gain the ability to add a spell that is not on my spell list to my list of spells known, without adding it to my spell list, can I cast it?

No. Adding a spell to your list of spells known does not add it to the spell list of that class unless they are added by a class feature of that same class. For example, sorcerers add their bloodline spells to their sorcerer spell list and oracles add their mystery spells to their oracle spell list. The spell slots of a class can only be used to cast spells that appear on the spell list of that class.

The Bonded Spirit ability is an oracle class feature that adds spells to your oracle spells known, so like your mystery spells your spirit magic spells are considered to be on the oracle spell list.

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Ok, thanks folks. That's even better than I was expecting. I'm starting to wonder why anyone would ever take any other archtype for a primary caster oracle.

Grand Lodge

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It's definitely powerful, probably borderline too good. But dual cursed or pei zin are both still good and don't stack with it.


Malaika de'Morcaine wrote:
Ok, thanks folks. That's even better than I was expecting. I'm starting to wonder why anyone would ever take any other archtype for a primary caster oracle.

that can be said about a few archetypes for a few classes. The main answer is that, while strong, it's not the exact fit for their character.


Yeah, it can be a little fiddly and requires a healthy amount of system mastery to take wing, but it can add real power to the class that makes it around on par with full prepared casters. It's still no Razmiran Priest though.

Mostly I just like the flavor of it. I already love the feel of the Oracle, this just adds a bit of verve.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Some of us are also having fun trying out the other oracle archetypes. For PFS, Psychic Searcher is amazing but you don't want to take that one for any mystery (like Heavens) where you need your spell list to make things work. I did a Lunar Psychic Searcher and have been having a blast.

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