Spellstrike Crits

[Eric Clingenpeel]

Ok, I remember this problem from my duskblade days... If I crit with my weapon say when spellstriking with shocking grasp, do I multiply both weapon and spell or just the weapon damage? And if its a scythe I'm using is it x4 all, x4 weapon + x2 shocking grasp? I know you can normally crit with a spell that requires an attack roll for x2 damage, but with a rapier crit range or a weapon's multiplier how will this ability mix?

[Jason Bulmahn]

Good point.

The spell only gets a x2 crit. I will ensure that this is clarified.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

[Eric Clingenpeel]

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

Good point.

The spell only gets a x2 crit. I will ensure that this is clarified.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Cool, how about the threat range? Would it still threaten on an 18-20 with a rapier?

[Jason Bulmahn]

Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

Good point.

The spell only gets a x2 crit. I will ensure that this is clarified.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Cool, how about the threat range? Would it still threaten on an 18-20 with a rapier?

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

[catdragon]

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The spell only gets a x2 crit. I will ensure that this is clarified.

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Oooo, i like that.... cool.

[Matthew Morris]

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Hmm, more rapier than scythe wielders then. Why not just use the threat range/crit range of the weapon. Yes, a 20d6 shocking grasp (+8d4 for the scythe) is a bit excessive... but it's a pay off for a high risk weapon.

[Thraxus]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Hmm, more rapier than scythe wielders then. Why not just use the threat range/crit range of the weapon. Yes, a 20d6 shocking grasp (+8d4 for the scythe) is a bit excessive... but it's a pay off for a high risk weapon.

Because Keen or Improved Critical could make that kind of attack a lot more common.

[greatamericanfolkhero]

catdragon wrote:

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The spell only gets a x2 crit. I will ensure that this is clarified.

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Oooo, i like that.... cool.

Indeed.

[Varthanna]

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Mmm, the falcata is looking very tasty for a magus.

[Eric Clingenpeel]

Varthanna wrote:

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The threat range becomes that of the weapon. There is no other good way to adjudicate that part.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Mmm, the falcata is looking very tasty for a magus.

That was what originally made me post this... :)

[Misery]

I actually see scimitar as the MOST used weapon.

Combined with Dervish Dance feat, the Magus can just worry about INT first and dex second. Dex will cover AC (needed for a melee person at lower levels in light armor) as well as to hit and damage after weapon finesse. Makes them less multi stat dependent.

[Blazej]

I would prefer if scoring a critical hit with the weapon didn't cause the spell to damage to multiply as well (to help give less incentive to ignore weapons without large crit ranges.

[Spyderz]

I suspect you should either consider not changing the threat range part of the spell component or if you do...it should match the threat range/crit multiple of the weapons. Else I see them all being rapier/scimitar/something similar wielders with keen/imp crit weapons to get the 15+/x2 threat on spells...and if you do allow...then expect to also see 20/x4 weapons. Another option would be to limit the weapons allowed instead of all martial weapons....but the threat/multiple issue is going to significantly impact the real weapon choice. Another option would be that while spellstriking...the weapon is used in non-standard fashion and becomes 20/x2. Just my initial thoughts on the issue.

[Alizor]

Funny, cause I see the whip as a largely used weapon. The ability to cast a touch spell with reach up to 15 feet is pretty good, even if you're only doing 1d4 damage, but add a spell to that and...

Yeah, Whip/Scorpion Whip seems like a great Magus weapon.