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PFS PvP question (Intimidate + Craven?)


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Scarab Sages

Okay, so normally, becoming Shaken would be a bad thing, and therefore be considered PvP for an ally to attempt to demoralize my character with Intimidate.

That said, Halflings have a Racial trait called Craven (ARG) which increases both their base speed (+10ft) and their AC (+1 dodge) while they are under a fear effect. Intimidate's Demoralize creates Shaken, which is a fear Effect. So while Shaken is annoying, there are certain in-game situations where having more AC or Speed would be more useful than the penalties given by Shaken.

Is it still PvP if I am willing and the PC can benefit from what is normally considered PvP?

Sovereign Court ***

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The Demoralize action from Intimidate specifies it must be used on an opponent. Party members are not be able to demoralize each other.

The halfling could consent to a fear spell or similar just like any other friendly fire.

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To me, it is not PvP if the target is willing and there is a sound reason to do it. Besides your example, I would not consider it PvP to target a PC with an aoe effect if the target was willing and there was a good tactical reason to do so.

The Exchange ***** Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Belafon

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PFS RPGG Guide 8.0 page 39 wrote:
Player-versus-player conflict occurs when one PC attempts; of his or her own volition, to kill, harm; or otherwise contribute to the injury of another PC.
Guide page 7 wrote:
While circumstances may arise where friendly fire occurs, a player must receive the other player's consent before performing such actions.

This is not an attempt to deliberately harm (quite the opposite) and the player has your permission.

Scarab Sages

KingOfAnything wrote:
The Demoralize action from Intimidate specifies it must be used on an opponent. Party members are not be able to demoralize each other.

Opponents is not the same thing as saying it doesn't work on PCs. Being party members doesn't make them allies. You can designate allies and enemies all you want. For PFS, normaly, it is best to regard PCs as allies, but you should be able to designate them enemies provided you don't break the PvP rule in the process.

I could have this wrong.

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You can designate whichever characters you want as a friend or ally, but I expect you will get a lot of pushback about designating party members as enemies or opponents.

Sczarni *****

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Are you asking another hypothetical, Murdock? Or did a GM actually prevent you from Intimidating a Craven Halfling PC?

**** Venture-Lieutenant, Ohio—Cleveland aka GinoA

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I would however start applying the Try Again penalty towards this trick.

How many times can the same guy yell at you to get your heart-rate up before it starts to not have an effect?

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Gino Melone wrote:

I would however start applying the Try Again penalty towards this trick.

How many times can the same guy yell at you to get your heart-rate up before it starts to not have an effect?

Depends on if it is a comedic schtick.

Scarab Sages

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Nefreet wrote:
Are you asking another hypothetical, Murdock? Or did a GM actually prevent you from Intimidating a Craven Halfling PC?

Definitely hypothetical. I just bought 8 awesome Halfling miniatures and am looking at character creation options.

Scarab Sages

Gino Melone wrote:

I would however start applying the Try Again penalty towards this trick.

How many times can the same guy yell at you to get your heart-rate up before it starts to not have an effect?

Sounds entirely reasonable. And I wouldn't expect to use it all session, just in times of need (like jumping gaps).

Scarab Sages ***

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Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Gino Melone wrote:

I would however start applying the Try Again penalty towards this trick.

How many times can the same guy yell at you to get your heart-rate up before it starts to not have an effect?

Sounds entirely reasonable. And I wouldn't expect to use it all session, just in times of need (like jumping gaps).

You could always role-play it as though your Halfling isn't in on the plan, even though you as a player are.

"Bartok, why do you keep yelling at the little guy!"

Bartok: "We're in a hurry, and he runs faster when I do!"

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Lieutenant, Online aka Hmm

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Make a craven halfling. Spend 2PP on a cause fear wand. Request party members to cast it on you.

This build amuses me, greatly.

Scarab Sages

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Make a craven halfling. Spend 2PP on a cause fear wand. Request party members to cast it on you.

This build amuses me, greatly.

The really funny bit is that the Halfling can also take "fleet of foot" which increases my base speed to 30ft. So a Craven halfling can move 40ft.

Liberty's Edge

Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Make a craven halfling. Spend 2PP on a cause fear wand. Request party members to cast it on you.

This build amuses me, greatly.

The really funny bit is that the Halfling can also take "fleet of foot" which increases my base speed to 30ft. So a Craven halfling can move 40ft.

So a craven bloodrager monk halfling could move 60 ft under such conditions?

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Lieutenant, Online aka Hmm

Then give him tribal scars!

Hmm

Scarab Sages

The Flame Mystery Oracle also has a +10ft base speed revelation.

On the flip side, it could be amusing to run a Lame Craven Halfling Oracle, since the Lame Curse would effectively cancel out when Craven was applied. And I can totally picture the fearful fleeing of a halfing in crutches...

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Then give him tribal scars!

Hmm

You know, now that I think of it, now might be a good time to diversify my portfolio. Natural attacks at bargain price just don't seem to be the in-thing right now, but... two hits of Toughness and two traits, or even feats, all for the low price of a single feat? Why, that's a bargain!

Does anyone have any connections in the Realm of the Mammoth Lords I might be able to work with? Profits will be split most fairly; I'm more of a wholesaler and distributor than a con artist.

I should actually make this into a real character someday; I've always loved the traveling merchant shtick.

The Exchange ***

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Hey, you're kind of cute. Come join us in Averaka! It's an easy trip from there to our gig in the Mammoth Realms. We're getting the band back together!

Scarab Sages

Timothy, Tusk Trainer wrote:
Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

Then give him tribal scars!

Hmm

You know, now that I think of it, now might be a good time to diversify my portfolio. Natural attacks at bargain price just don't seem to be the in-thing right now, but... two hits of Toughness and two traits, or even feats, all for the low price of a single feat? Why, that's a bargain!

Does anyone have any connections in the Realm of the Mammoth Lords I might be able to work with? Profits will be split most fairly; I'm more of a wholesaler and distributor than a con artist.

I should actually make this into a real character someday; I've always loved the traveling merchant shtick.

Not a halfling, but the Human race has a Wander archetype for the monk, which would fit well with the classic wandering merchant with his wares on his back.

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Joliet Jake Blues wrote:
Hey, you're kind of cute. Come join us in Averaka! It's an easy trip from there to our gig in the Mammoth Realms. We're getting the band back together!

Hmm... could it be that this lovely lady and her compatriots are in need of management for their musical careers? What an intriguing offer. After all, I hear the arbitration in Averaka is second to none, and I'm always eager to secure new character options to peddle across the Inner Sea.

Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Not a halfling, but the Human race has a Wander archetype for the monk, which would fit well with the classic wandering merchant with his wares on his back.

A most gracious suggestion! Alas, I am canonically a bard.

Scarab Sages

Somewhat on topic. Can the Undead/Infernal Bloodline Sorcerer target themselves with their 1st level power? In both cases, it applies shaken to the target....

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