Anyone notice something wrong here?


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I was looking for a familiar for a character I'm putting together for a friend's campaign, when I found this:

:
Greensting Scorpion: size:tiny Str:3 dex:16 con:10 int:0(now 6) wis:10 cha:2 skills: +7 climb, +4 perception, +15 stealth
And it struck me that the scorpion doesn't have skill ranks in any skills normally. Does that mean I get to assign the 1 should've gotten in the first place, or does just not get it at all?


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Familiars dont get skill ranks at all. They treat your ranks in a skill as their ranks in the same skill. Though they use their skill modifiers

Scarab Sages

A scorpion is a mindless creature, so it normally has no skills. When it becomes a familiar, it looses the mindless quality and would gain skill points appropriate to its intelligence score.

Edit: but I was thinking of vermin companions, not familiars. Dre is right, a familiar uses it's masters skill ranks.


So wait... I understood the use of my ranks, but RAW states:

Skills wrote:
For each skill in which either the master or the familiar has ranks, use either the normal skill ranks for an animal of that type or the master's skill ranks, whichever is better.

and it has 1HD & 6INT, so shouldn't it get 1 rank at that point, due to how skill rank/INT rules work normally?


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The skill bonuses of a greensting scorpion add up to the sums of their stat mods, size mods, and racial mods for each of the listed skills. They have no skill ranks at all.


*grumble* After this and some more scouring of the message boards, I am sad. Oh well, at least I still get a cool little guy to help me wreak havoc upon my foes. Thanks Ya'll for the rules help.


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The only thing wrong here is the non-descriptive thread title!


Rub-Eta wrote:
The only thing wrong here is the non-descriptive thread title!

THIS! ^


Jae Wolftail wrote:
So wait... I understood the use of my ranks, but RAW states:
Skills wrote:
For each skill in which either the master or the familiar has ranks, use either the normal skill ranks for an animal of that type or the master's skill ranks, whichever is better.
and it has 1HD & 6INT, so shouldn't it get 1 rank at that point, due to how skill rank/INT rules work normally?

I agreed with this at first, but then I read that line over again, "the normal skill ranks for an animal of that type". So, you don't use the "adjusted skill ranks for your familiar", but the "normal" skill ranks for that "animal".


What it is... ain't exactly clear...

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