Does the kata master monk archetype provide extra benefits when multiclassing as a swashbuckler


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The kata master monk archetype has a class features called Panache, which does (emphasis mine):

PRD wrote:
Panache: At 1st level, a kata master gains the swashbuckler's panache class feature. At the start of each day, a kata master gains a number of panache points equal to his Charisma bonus (minimum 1). His panache goes up or down throughout the day, but usually cannot exceed his Charisma bonus (minimum 1). A kata master gains the swashbuckler's derring-do and dodging panache deeds. A kata master can use an unarmed strike or a monk special weapon in place of a light or one-handed piercing melee weapon for the purpose of {granted} swashbuckler class features and deeds. This ability replaces stunning fist.

To make it more confusing, the word {granted} is present in Advanced class guide book (at least the 1st printing), but not on the PRD.

Can a kata-master/swashbuckler multiclassed character treat his unarmed strike as a piercing one-handed melee weapon for swashbuckler class features not specifically granted by kata master (for instance, swashbuckler's finesse) ?

If no, can it at least do it with other kata master class features than panache ?


eltrai wrote:

The kata master monk archetype has a class features called Panache, which does (emphasis mine):

PRD wrote:
Panache: At 1st level, a kata master gains the swashbuckler's panache class feature. At the start of each day, a kata master gains a number of panache points equal to his Charisma bonus (minimum 1). His panache goes up or down throughout the day, but usually cannot exceed his Charisma bonus (minimum 1). A kata master gains the swashbuckler's derring-do and dodging panache deeds. A kata master can use an unarmed strike or a monk special weapon in place of a light or one-handed piercing melee weapon for the purpose of {granted} swashbuckler class features and deeds. This ability replaces stunning fist.

To make it more confusing, the word {granted} is present in Advanced class guide book (at least the 1st printing), but not on the PRD.

Can a kata-master/swashbuckler multiclassed character treat his unarmed strike as a piercing one-handed melee weapon for swashbuckler class features not specifically granted by kata master (for instance, swashbuckler's finesse) ?

If no, can it at least do it with other kata master class features than panache ?

Yes. This is exploited heavily in the now relatively famous Songbird of Doom line of builds.

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Captain Battletoad wrote:
Yes. This is exploited heavily in the now relatively famous Songbird of Doom line of builds.

Do you have any source for this clarification, RAW-wise? I couldn't find anything.

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Much of the songbird of doom has been errata/FAQ or debated away.

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