Titan Fighter + double Weapons?


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

Can the Titan Fighter weild oversized Double Weapons? Specifically, can they use the two weapon fighting rules in conjuction with their "Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex)" ability?

Should impose a -6 on attack with the Two Weapon fighting feat: (oversized weapon for -2, Giant Weapon Wielder for an extra -2, and -2 for two weapon fighting with a double weapon because they count as one-handed and a light for two weapon fighting purposes).


yes, also isnt the -2 from giant weapon wielder the -2 from useing an oversized weapon?


Lady-J wrote:
yes, also isnt the -2 from giant weapon wielder the -2 from useing an oversized weapon?

No, it's an additional penalty.

Giant Weapon Wielder (Ex) wrote:

At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an [u]additional[/u] –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an over-sized two-handed weapon.

This ability replaces the fighter’s 1st level bonus feat.


if thats the case then its a garbage ability


Eh, it lets you do something otherwise impossible with a penalty. Is the increases damage dice worth the penalty to hit? Not for me, but there is probably a build with it that rocks, or at least that someone has a pile of fun with.


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take a dip of that, into abyssal bloodrager 4 with large impact greatsword enlarged and vital strike. Makes your base weapon damage 6d6 vital to 12d6 at lv7.
It it the new best build? Nope.
Is it viable and cool and made better because of this archetype? Yes

and for the OP's question. I think yes. I'm not seeing anything that says it wouldn't work that way.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:
[b]Can the Titan Fighter weild oversized Double Weapons?

A normal fighter can do that. Pick up an oversized Taiaha. You now are using a large double weapon. And all without the -2 from the titan fighter ability.

Scarab Sages

Lady-J wrote:
if thats the case then its a garbage ability

It has it's moments.

Mainly, it's an alternate to power attack that can also be stacked with power attack. And if you stick with the class, it will eventually reduce the penalty to nothing. Though I think this one is probably best as a 1 level fighter dip.

For low level shenanigens, the most obvious application is Shillelagh. This spell specifically enchants both ends of a quarter staff with a single casting, and treats the weapon as 2 sizes larger than it is. So if it starts large, then it's 3 sizes larger than a medium weapon, so each end of the Quarterstaff is dealing 3d6(+1 enhancement) damage. And if enlarge person is used, that's 4d6 per end at first level.

As for mitigating the attack penalty, just at first level you can have 20 in your attack attribute and the fighter's BAB is +1, so your already striking with staight dice. And that's if your using two-weapon fighting. With just attacking with a two handed weapon (or just one end of the double weapon), the penalty is only -4 (so you'd +2 to attack with this weapon with just attribtue + BAB).


problem is its not worth sticking with the class after a 1 level dip as it trades out literally everything.


graystone wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
[b]Can the Titan Fighter weild oversized Double Weapons?
A normal fighter can do that. Pick up an oversized Taiaha. You now are using a large double weapon. And all without the -2 from the titan fighter ability.

That is a bit of a corner case isn't it? The Taiaha seems to be the only weapon with the double trait that isn't a two handed weapon.

Still, the rules do say that even a two handed double weapon can be wielded one handed, but you can only use one weapon head in that case. So anyone could use an oversized double weapon, but would have to swing it two handed and could only make use of one head.

Scarab Sages

Joey Cote wrote:


Still, the rules do say that even a two handed double weapon can be wielded one handed, but you can only use one weapon head in that case. So anyone could use an oversized double weapon, but would have to swing it two handed and could only make use of one head.

No, the rules say a double weapon can be used as a one handed and light weapon pair for the purposes of the two-weapon fighting rules. They still are a two-handed weapon in terms of what can be equipped.

You can't normally wield a large Quarterstaff, as a medium character. Doesn't matter if you intend to use the two weapon fighting rules or not.

graystone wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
[b]Can the Titan Fighter weild oversized Double Weapons?
A normal fighter can do that. Pick up an oversized Taiaha. You now are using a large double weapon. And all without the -2 from the titan fighter ability.

That is a very strange weapon they released. From the description, it should be a two-handed weapon. Damage wise, it does a very large amount of damage, especially when compared to the other double weapons. I suspect a typo.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:
graystone wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
[b]Can the Titan Fighter weild oversized Double Weapons?
A normal fighter can do that. Pick up an oversized Taiaha. You now are using a large double weapon. And all without the -2 from the titan fighter ability.
That is a very strange weapon they released. From the description, it should be a two-handed weapon. Damage wise, it does a very large amount of damage, especially when compared to the other double weapons. I suspect a typo.

I don't try to figure out what they're thinking anymore. I've seen more and more things I've thought I understood changed or altered into something else that it's better to just not think about it too much. I don't see it getting changed any time soon though if it was a typo though. Ask yourself this: how many times have you seen questions about the weapon? No questions, no FAQ.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Joey Cote wrote:


Still, the rules do say that even a two handed double weapon can be wielded one handed, but you can only use one weapon head in that case. So anyone could use an oversized double weapon, but would have to swing it two handed and could only make use of one head.

No, the rules say a double weapon can be used as a one handed and light weapon pair for the purposes of the two-weapon fighting rules. They still are a two-handed weapon in terms of what can be equipped.

You can't normally wield a large Quarterstaff, as a medium character. Doesn't matter if you intend to use the two weapon fighting rules or not.

graystone wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
[b]Can the Titan Fighter weild oversized Double Weapons?
A normal fighter can do that. Pick up an oversized Taiaha. You now are using a large double weapon. And all without the -2 from the titan fighter ability.
That is a very strange weapon they released. From the description, it should be a two-handed weapon. Damage wise, it does a very large amount of damage, especially when compared to the other double weapons. I suspect a typo.

A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round.

That sentence makes me think you can use a double weapon in one hand, but I suppose they might have put that in there in case of a large size creature using a medium sized double weapon .


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Joey Cote wrote:
I suppose they might have put that in there in case of a large size creature using a medium sized double weapon .

Nope. It's to stop a player from trying to have a Medium PC TWF with two Small quarterstaffs at the same time and claiming extra attacks from the "off-hand" heads of both.

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