Saving throws for effects on spells with no saving throws?


Rules Questions


There are a few spells that specify no saving throw, but the description reads that the spell has an effect "as x spell". Does that mean no saving throw on that effect, or is the saving throw the same as "spell x"?

For example, the normal version of the spell Ice Storm specifies no saving throw. The mythic, augmented version states that one creature within the area is paralyzed (as if by hold person). Does the creature get a will save as if they had hold person cast on them, or do they not get a save because ice storm does not provide a save?

Another example is Arcana Theft, which specifies no saving throw, but the description says it functions as targeted Dispel Magic.


Generally, I'd read it as the saving throw is the same as "spell x" if the main spell has a subordinate effect. So for the mythic, augmented ice storm, I'd give the target a will save as if targeted by hold person but I'd use the spell level of the mythic, augmented ice storm rather than the normal level 2 of hold person.


For Arcana Theft, the touch attack would take the place of the save, for Ice Storm I agree with Bill Dunn


Dispel Magic doesn't give a save, so it's not fully relevant to this. You'd roll the caster check, though.

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