Will saves not from Wisdom?


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Hey, is there a way to not have your will saves come from wisdom?


Steadfast personality helps with mind affecting, but not if you dumped wisdom too much.


Steadfast personality is CHA to will saves most of the time.
Mesmerist get Cha to will, paladins get Cha to everything.

Honestly I think Charisma should be the default for will saves or it should be interchangeable. I mean when I think of a wilful person I don't think about of someone wise constantly making good decisions I think of leaders and confident strong minded people.

I also think diplomacy should be ran off Cha, Int or Wis whichever is highest.


Alderic wrote:

Steadfast personality helps with mind affecting, but not if you dumped wisdom too much.

There is also the Irrepressible (Faith) character Trait which helps against Charm and Compulsion effects.

Elder Mythos Cultist Cleric uses Charisma to Will as well.


Chromantic Durgon <3 wrote:
Honestly I think Charisma should be the default for will saves or it should be interchangeable. I mean when I think of a wilful person I don't think about of someone wise constantly making good decisions I think of leaders and confident strong minded people.

Eh, I know people who are very persuasive, but are also very persuadable. I can see why they'd be different stats.


Being persuadable and vulnerable to mind control aren't really the same thing.
Druids have good will saves but I don't expect them to be extremely stubborn and closed off to other people's ideas.


Chromantic Durgon <3 wrote:

Being persuadable and vulnerable to mind control aren't really the same thing.

Druids have good will saves but I don't expect them to be extremely stubborn and closed off to other people's ideas.

What I'm trying to say is that I've seen persuasive people with low will-power.

This is probably not the place to discuss it. To avoid derailing this thread maybe we should start another one if you want to discuss this more? (I know I started it my bad =P )


Derail it.
You know you want to.

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