Bigdaddyjug |
I'm interested in building a PFS legal character that takes a single level dip into oracle of lore for the sidestep revelation.
What types of build out this to the best use? I'd rather avoid oradin as I already have a level 10 paladin that I'm still playing in PFS. When I get home later I can C&P her stat block so you guys can let me know if you think dipping for lore-acle at level 11 might be best for her
Dreikaiserbund Contributor |
I was inclined to say Paladin myself, actually. Hm...
You don't really want a spellcaster class. The AC/Reflex save boost is nice, but it probably isn't worth a level of spells.
You do want a Charisma-based class, since anything less than 18 charisma is probably not worth dipping for.
So we're looking at Charisma-based non-casters, so what do we have? Paladins, obviously, but I might say ninjas as well, or a combat-focused bard.
SillyString |
If it werent for the PFS legal requirement then Divine fighting technique, CG and starknife would be the obvious choice. But last i checked that wasnt legal, might have changed though.
For PFS i think the choices other people have mentioned pretty much cover it. Generally dipping too many times wont benefit you that much, and you'd be a bit "cheesy" for doing it :)
Sidestep Secret sounds fantastic, but realistically it isnt, it cant replace CMD, and if you dump dex you've taken a hit to both CMD and your ranged touch attacks. If you're not dumping dex then you wont be looking at as much of a huge boost to AC anyway. It's certainly not a trap, but it's hardly something to base a build around.
nicholas storm |
If you are dipping for a non-spell caster, I like a 1 level dip into ravener hunter/sanctified slayer (Lunar - prophetic armor) over oracle.
Same BAB, +2 Fort, same revelation, studied target, a few more inquisitor stuff, 2 more skills for 2+ less 1st level spells. I think it's a better fit for a martial character.
Bigdaddyjug |
If you are dipping for a non-spell caster, I like a 1 level dip into ravener hunter/sanctified slayer (Lunar - prophetic armor) over oracle.
Same BAB, +2 Fort, same revelation, studied target, a few more inquisitor stuff, 2 more skills for 2+ less 1st level spells. I think it's a better fit for a martial character.
That's great, but the question was "what is a 1 level dip in lore oracle good for", not "what single level dip do you think is best".
Also, I don't mind doing another paladin once the one I have is at level 12.
I would make a straight oracle, but I'm not sure what lore oracles are good at. I already have an illusion focused gnome heavens oracle and a nagaji battle oracle.
avr |
The lore oracle bonus spells are pretty forgettable - so an archetype which loses them has little cost. Their better revelations deal with knowledge checks until level 11. A psychic searcher could build on a revelation or two to be a skillmonkey, a spirit guide can grab extra spells known from shaman spirits as well (doing buffing, mobility or even blasting), or an ancient lorekeeper can replace the bonus spells with better ones.
nicholas storm |
I think you just look at classes that get some use out of CHA:
Bard
Eldritch Scion Magus
Medium
Mesmerist
Bloodrager
Paladin
Sorcerer
Cleric
Shaman
It's really impossible to answer without some clue of what you are looking for.
I prefer a dip into scaled fist monk in most cases. I was looking at ravener hunter/sanctified slayer inquisitor dip on a gnome bard. I did a lore oracle "dip" on a mystic theurge when SLA early entry was allowed. Otherwise, my answer for your question is none, because I think there are better dip options.
BeastMasterFTW |
I dont know how good it would be, but swashbuckler is a martial class that gets quite a bit of use from charisma. Also, would the feat martial versatility work with desna's shooting star? because if so that would be really good for a swashbuckler, as you could use kukri's for a higher critical range.
Red Griffyn |
Oracle 1 / Shaman X
Steals spells off the divine and wizard list. I'm watching it in action at my table and its pretty awesome. They decided to go as a witch doctor, for two channel pools and will get channel related feats and buffs. The two hexes taken are the lore arcane enlightenment hex and an extra hex feat for the witch sleep hex. Could use my build instead which doesn't take the witch doctor archetype and focus more on casting and less on channeling. See build below:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u64m?1-Oracle-X-Shaman-Build-Advice#13
Lady-J |
Lady-J wrote:It's banned because if it was PFS legal it would be the only choice worth taking.bard sorc
not blood rager tho cuz the archetype you would want to combo bloodrager and lame cursed oracle is baned in pfs for some reason
it really says something when archetype gets baned just cuz its the only good archetype for a class why dont they just buff the other archetypes to not be terible.
Chess Pwn |
I have a PFS character, nagaji Psychic Searcher oracle 2 of lore for sidestep and cha for all knowledges with extra revelation feat and a nice inspiration pool.
Then he went medium 4 of the marshal spirit, take the spirit focus feat for +3 to all cha stuff and the ability to add 1d6+3 to a failed roll to you or an ally and have it succeed.
then id rager anger bloodrager 4, this helps the damage keep up in the mid levels and fort saves. Could go 1 level and extra rage feat instead.
I also have the trait Irrepressible for using cha for some will saves
he has CHA to init, reflex, some will saves, all knowledge skills, and the normal cha skills. With his high str and eventually rage his damage has been good.