Wild Shape into a common lizard


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The simple plain question is: as an 8th level Druid, with Wild Shape ranging from diminutive to huge animals, can I turn into a diminutive species of lizard?
Common sense would say yes, but the "problem" is that the smallest lizard in the Bestiary is the one in the Familiar group, and it's tiny, not diminutive.
Can I use its stat block, except consider it as if it was diminutive?

Yesterday, I wanted to turn into such a diminutive lizard and go stealthing in a lizardfolk camp to scout, but I only found the tiny familiar lizard and turned into that (diminutive would have also given me an additional +1 Dex bonus and a further +4 to Stealth, so, just by transforming, I would have had an additional total of +15, instead of the +10 of being tiny.
I didn't even bring the matter to the GM to avoid losing time discussing it, but in case it happens again, I'd like to know if I'm limited to what's in the Bestiary or can do what I described above.


Kthanid wrote:
I didn't even bring the matter to the GM to avoid losing time discussing it, but in case it happens again, I'd like to know if I'm limited to what's in the Bestiary or can do what I described above.

That should always be your first step.

That being said, you can only turn into a non-templated animal that exists. Which means, unless the GM has stated up a smaller lizard somewhere, you are stuck with what is listed in the books. You can't just choose to be considered a different size.


I wanted to know the official ruling, to avoid talking about it aimlessly at the table.
Well, the animal itself does exist (unless the GM comes up with the bizarre idea that anything unstatted in some book doesn't exist)...
Common house flies do exist... they don't have stat blocks just because no adventurer is ever going to consider them a challenge.
Anyway, any source on the matter of "can/cannot"?


Nah, seeing if there's an easy rule somewhere you don't know about or an FAQ burried somewhere is a good idea too.

I can't find a diminiuative lizard, but it really shouldn't be that hard to make one by shrinking the iguana a little.

There's no stats for these because there's no reason for adventurers to interact with them. It's a lizard

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This is entirely an Ask your GM question. Look at the FAQ on Eagle Shaman, it explains that you can't be a diminutive lizard because there is no stat block. They made an exception for Eagle Shaman Druid, but your GM would need to make a diminutive lizard stat block for you.


Not wanting to slow down the game with rules discussion is fine, but you should ask out of game.


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I wanted to know the official ruling, to avoid talking about it aimlessly at the table.

Well, the animal itself does exist (unless the GM comes up with the bizarre idea that anything unstatted in some book doesn't exist)...
Common house flies do exist... they don't have stat blocks just because no adventurer is ever going to consider them a challenge.
Anyway, any source on the matter of "can/cannot"?

Without a statblock, you don't know what sort of abilities the animal has, so you can't determine what abilities the various polymorph effects can give you.

IF a creature doesn't have a statblock, there isn't enough information to choose it as form to turn into. Does the diminutive lizard swim? Does it have a climb speed? Burrow speed? How fast is it? Darkvision, low-light vision, or just normal vision? Is the lizard poisonous/venomous?

That is why, without GM intervention, you are limited to the creatures in the book. They have concrete stats, you know exactly what you do and do not get when assuming those forms.

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