I wanted to clarify that if a Battle Host Occultist chooses as Panoply instead of an implement their bonded item still counts as both implements for the Panoply. Is this correct?
If you're referring to the panoply bond archetype feature of the battle host and normal implement schools, yes it becomes an implement for any and all schools you choose.
If you are referring to implement panoplies from psychic anthology, no, it can never be more than one item, and therefore never meets the requirements of any of the panopolies. (it cant be both a sword and a shield.) (It cant simultaneously be a crystal ball, a wand and a robe)
Its not an if, a battlehost occultist gets panopoly bond in place of his usual implements.
And yes, the single panoply bond item counts as their implement for all schools. Keep in mind that you get fewer schools as a trade off from Battlehost.
One item cant be multiple items, the psychic anthology panoplies specifically state you need to be using very specific items as implements that combine to achieve a new panoply, as I stated in my last post.
IF he's talking about ordinary implement schools for the battle hosts "panoply bond" class feature, then that's fine.
IF he's talking about the new panoply options, no the battle host shouldnt be able to gain any benefit from them for those because he's not holding the required specific items (such as robe implement, crystal ball implement and wand implemnent that combine into the caster panoply)
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I wanted to clarify that if a Battle Host Occultist chooses as Panoply instead of an implement their bonded item still counts as both implements for the Panoply. Is this correct?
It doesn't. As SillyString mentioned, it counts as an implement for all schools, but it can't act as multiple specific implements (sword and shield, holy symbol and censor, etc.). Battle Host, Sha'ir, etc. can't use panoplies.
I wanted to clarify that if a Battle Host Occultist chooses as Panoply instead of an implement their bonded item still counts as both implements for the Panoply. Is this correct?It doesn't. As SillyString mentioned, it counts as an implement for all schools, but it can't act as multiple specific implements (sword and shield, holy symbol and censor, etc.). Battle Host, Sha'ir, etc. can't use panoplies.
Indeed, this seems to be an intentional design choice that prevents the occultist from becoming too martial focused. Something tells me that until people become more familiar with the contents of psychic anthology we'll be seeing a lot of confusion and therefore misinformation regarding the battle host's "panoply bond" class feature and psychic anthology's "panoplies".
With the release of psychic anthology, the battle host is now a terrible occultist archtype.
I wouldnt go that far, its certainly gained a good alternative in the form of the warrior panoply option, but some builds might still have reason to consider it.
It already was inferior to haunted collector, now it is far inferior. It's only benefit is getting full plate at level 1, and that isn't worth all you are giving up.
It's great if you're strapped for cash and want a strong gun-wielder. Just take your one-level dip in a BH for a free double-barreled shotgun (7,000 gp for FREE) and go Transmutation for the +2 to DEX. Then either go Wizard (could go with Spellslinger for all other levels for versatility) or Bard for one level so you get access to Abundant Ammunition, then (assuming you like the CHA stat as much as I do) go with a level in Mysterious Stranger for the CHA-to-damage deed.
Just out of curiosity, since I don't have the anthology yet (might get it later today), but what about the panoplies makes the BH "useless"?
Just out of curiosity, since I don't have the anthology yet (might get it later today), but what about the panoplies makes the BH "useless"?
Np, there's a "warrior" panoply that increases your BAB to that of a fighter if you possess both a "transmutation-sword" implement and a "abjuration-shield" implement. Which is nice. I disagree that it makes the battle host "terrible" in comparison, but its usable with most other archetypes and is potentially much more flexible.
I found most of the anthology to be pretty underwhelming, but there are a couple of hidden gems and interesting things, if you're really keen on occult classes, its something i'd recommend, but its certainly not essential.
Just out of curiosity, since I don't have the anthology yet (might get it later today), but what about the panoplies makes the BH "useless"?Np, there's a "warrior" panoply that increases your BAB to that of a fighter if you possess both a "transmutation-sword" implement and a "abjuration-shield" implement. Which is nice. I disagree that it makes the battle host "terrible" in comparison, but its usable with most other archetypes and is potentially much more flexible.
I found most of the anthology to be pretty underwhelming, but there are a couple of hidden gems and interesting things, if you're really keen on occult classes, its something i'd recommend, but its certainly not essential.
Anything decent for kineticists?
Anything decent for kineticists?
There is quite a reasonably sized kineticist section, though its not something i've devoted much time to looking through. I vaguely recall some of the kineticst section being praised on the store page.
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Anything decent for kineticists?There is quite a reasonably sized kineticist section, though its not something i've devoted much time to looking through. I vaguely recall the kineticst section being praised on the store page.
>>> Here you go
Ah, much appreciated. It's too late for me to make major changes to the BH I'm playing, but my Kineticist just gained a level in the campaign I'm playing tonight, so I think I'll pick this up just to see if there are any last minute options I want to take.
You might be able to do it with a klar. ^_^That's what I was thinking!
As I say, I believe from the wording and the descriptions that panoplies are made from multiple specific items and it seems pretty clear their intent was for the two options to not stack... But that being said, I see no reason why you cant use two klars as implements or a klar alongside a weapon on a (non-battle host) occultist with panoplies. Or (as per a build ive just started working on) you could use shield gauntlet style to use a gauntlet as a shield on a (non-battle host) occultist.
Battle Host has its own class feature called panopoly bond that is distinct from the ones in psychic anthology.
Sadly, without access to psychic anthology I can't tell you how they'd interact.
No worries, the psychic anthology says you need to have very specific separate items as implements to in order for the panoply to function. It's completely unrelated to the "panoply bond" class feature of a similar name, and because the psychic anthology panoplies require multiple separate items acting as implements, the two cannot be taken in conjunction.