Panoply and the occultist


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So with the new book the occultist got done new toys. Was curious what the feedback is. Also if you have a panoply that overlaps (abj) but a different item do they share points or no


Huh no interest? Since the warrior is limited to a sword and shield was thinking of doing two weapon fighting with int instead of dex. With the base attack boost thor it might even out


I think people may be having trouble understanding what you are asking. It looks like you are using a translator program to convert your words into English. And those things can garble the text.


I think part of the problem is a lot of people don't have access to the source in question yet.


Yes, abjuration is used twice with different implements. Focus is invested in implements, so even if you got both implements somehow, they wouldn't share focus. However, I don't think there's a way to get two implements for a school on the same day, so the warrior and priest implements are incompatible.

Panoplies are very cool. I posted my thoughts on them in the discussion and review sections of the product thread.

Silver Crusade

What book are you talking about?


Psychic Anthology.


I'm not really sure what he's asking, and looking at it i'm thinking the same as Melkiador... maybe he's asking if points put into an abjuration implement are shared with the panoply?


Sorry pc is getting repaired and using a smart phone which auto corrects me. To clarify: New toys =features etc. Done was some (like the phone changed was to wad) man I miss my keyboard. What the feedback was..aka opinions on it.

I was trying to figure out if you could go with the warrior and cleric panoply since they share abj but guess not. I like the warrior but you are stuck with a sword and shield.


Yep. Sword-and-board isn't great, but you're still going to be a 6/9 caster with full BAB as early as level two. (Admittedly, you can only easily and reliably cast abjuration and transmutation while you're full BAB because your hands are full and you can't present other implements, but still.)


ekibus wrote:

Sorry pc is getting repaired and using a smart phone which auto corrects me. To clarify: New toys =features etc. Done was some (like the phone changed was to wad) man I miss my keyboard. What the feedback was..aka opinions on it.

I was trying to figure out if you could go with the warrior and cleric panoply since they share abj but guess not. I like the warrior but you are stuck with a sword and shield.

Ah I see, well for the purpose of the cleric panoply it needs to be a symbol, and for the purpose of the warrior's it needs to be a shield, but you can always select a second abjuration implement when you would gain a new school so you'd have both. (I think. -I havnt looked at the occultist for quite a while, so double check that for yourself)

Aside from that, the wording is a little unclear on gaining resonant powers, as you are required to "hold" all the implements of a panoply to benefit from the resonant power - but at the same time one of the panoplies has three implements associated with it so you'd need three hands to "hold" them in the conventional sense. I'll hopefully let you know if / when we get to the bottom of that. (If you interpret "hold" in its other sense, you may only need to have them on you (as opposed to somewhere else or in the possession of someone else) for it to count.)


I wouldn't mind going with a bastard sword and light shield then twf in heavy armor but I'm thinking feats would crush the build. You could still get the panoply without the archetype right?


ekibus wrote:
I wouldn't mind going with a bastard sword and light shield then twf in heavy armor but I'm thinking feats would crush the build. You could still get the panoply without the archetype right?

Correct. But before you think about grabbing the battle-host archetype to gain more bonus feats, remember that he doesnt have separate implements and therefore cant benefit from panoplies.


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Is there anything saying you have to be wielding the shield, as opposed to just keeping it on your back?

I think the Panoplies are REALLY cool! A much appreciated add-on for the occultist that I suspect people will end up taking more often than not.

EDIT: It looks like the implement needs to be in your "possession and [you must] present the implement to the target or toward the area of effect" when casting spells of the implement's school. It doesn't look like that is the case for using focus powers though.

I wonder if getting out and bearing the implement is considered part of the act of spellcasting, just like focus components or material components. If that's the case, then you could still wield a two-handed weapon in between casting spells (leaving it in one hand during casting, while using your other hand for the spell's various components/implements).


Ravingdork wrote:

Is there anything saying you have to be wielding the shield, as opposed to just keeping it on your back?

I think the Panoplies are REALLY cool! A much appreciated add-on for the occultist that I suspect people will end up taking more often than not.

EDIT: It looks like the implement needs to be in your "possession and [you must] present the implement to the target or toward the area of effect" when casting spells of the implement's school. It doesn't look like that is the case for using focus powers though.

I wonder if getting out and bearing the implement is considered part of the act of spellcasting, just like focus components or material components. If that's the case, then you could still wield a two-handed weapon in between casting spells (leaving it in one hand during casting, while using your other hand for the spell's various components/implements).

The only thing that could potentially hold you back is the definition of "hold" See This Thread that I recently made explaining the issue and quoting the material. It is likely that the intent is it just needs to be in your possession to gain the resonant power, but as you say, you'd need to "present it" toward the target/area to use spells. (So it would need to not be in a bag etc)


Ravingdork wrote:
Is there anything saying you have to be wielding the shield, as opposed to just keeping it on your back?

Well, I haven't read Psychic Anthology so I don't know if Panoplies change this, but per Occult Adventures:

Quote:
Whenever an occultist casts a spell, he must have the corresponding implement in his possession and present the implement to the target or toward the area of effect.

So you'd need to wave your shield around if you wanted to cast abjuration spells (not quite as clear on focus powers).

Does the transmutation implement in the fighter panoply need to be a sword, or can it be a polearm so you can use Shield Brace? I suppose a nodachi is both.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
Does the transmutation implement in the fighter panoply need to be a sword, or can it be a polearm so you can use Shield Brace? I suppose a nodachi is both.

Any weapon, so be creative :)

PS, going back to what I mentioned earlier, its interesting to note that if you were a battle-host you could almost select panoplies due to the "Conjure Implement (Sp)" focus power being able to create a temporary second implement. But you'd fall short because you wouldnt have invested (or be able to invest) mental focus into that implement. (Psychic anthology states: "to use a panoply's resonant power or any of its focus powers, the occultist must select and invest mental focus into the associated implements")


What about using a buckle and lose the ac for a two handed weapon?


ekibus wrote:
What about using a buckle and lose the ac for a two handed weapon?

Yeah Ive mentioned that in the thread i linked too, but that doesnt seem to be getting any responses yet. If you just have to have the equipment on your person then I dont see why not, it even still (sort of) occupies that "slot" and you can present it in any direction you wish to cast with in theory. It's still a grey area though, and expect it to come down to the GM unless we actually get something more solid to base our understanding on.

I generally like to be 100% sure of a build before I run it past my GM :)


It is possible for a weapon or a shield to also be a holy symbol. It's not even expensive. Look up consecrated weapons or the create reliquary arms and armor feat (I think? Going off memory.)

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