Limits on Evolved Companion


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Liberty's Edge

Hi, I am about to start a home game and am considering playing a druid. I understand since this is a home game, any rules questions should be asked directly to the GM, and I plan to do so, but I would like to have my stance be confident when I approach. So, that said, on to my question.

The feat Evolved Companion lists that the companion must conform to all the limitations of the chosen evolution. Since the Tentacle evolution has no limitations on it, I should be able to take it over and over and add a large number of natural attacks to my pounce kitty. However, the eidolon itself prevents you from taking evolutions that increase its natural attack count above its limit, given by summoner level.

Is the Eidolon limit on natural attacks considered to be an evolution limit for the purposes of taking Evolved Companion?


Aparently it has no limitations, if you buy the feat 10 times, you could buy 10 tentacle evolutions.


You could have unlimited attacks, but you'll probably get a better reception from the GM if you limit yourself. It's better to get a restricted yes to a hard no.
Last thing you want is the feat banned outright, when there are many useful evolution's beyond adding extra attacks to a pounce kitty that really doesn't need them.

Scarab Sages

JamesTheDonkey wrote:

Hi, I am about to start a home game and am considering playing a druid. I understand since this is a home game, any rules questions should be asked directly to the GM, and I plan to do so, but I would like to have my stance be confident when I approach. So, that said, on to my question.

The feat Evolved Companion lists that the companion must conform to all the limitations of the chosen evolution. Since the Tentacle evolution has no limitations on it, I should be able to take it over and over and add a large number of natural attacks to my pounce kitty. However, the eidolon itself prevents you from taking evolutions that increase its natural attack count above its limit, given by summoner level.

Is the Eidolon limit on natural attacks considered to be an evolution limit for the purposes of taking Evolved Companion?

Sake of arguement, what's the build plan here? I mean, each time you "evolve" your companion, you take away 1 feat from your character advancement. Not a combat feat, either, so you have 10 total bonus feats by 20th level. Is 10 extra tentacles really the route you want?

Oh, and PS, I can see GMs having issues from a fluff standpoint, if you want some weird mutant for your Druid companion. I understand your cthulu kitty for a ranger, but a druid would probably kill it on sight, reasonably mistaking it for an aberation.

Liberty's Edge

Indeed. The build plan is to make a Feyspeaker Druid for a Kingmaker run. I will be casting off Cha so I can also be the face. I was just curious for the feats I don't need if I can use them to improve my cat. I am aware that there are probably better options, but once I started thinking and reading, it looked as if it was able to create an octo-cat. That seemed fun. Given I plan to play a trickster druid (CN, fey inclined) it seemed like a fun experiment.


Displacer beast! You only need two tentacles to get that look!
And maybe an extra pair of legs.

Of course, you're probably violating a copyright... =)

Scarab Sages

JamesTheDonkey wrote:
Indeed. The build plan is to make a Feyspeaker Druid for a Kingmaker run. I will be casting off Cha so I can also be the face. I was just curious for the feats I don't need if I can use them to improve my cat. I am aware that there are probably better options, but once I started thinking and reading, it looked as if it was able to create an octo-cat. That seemed fun. Given I plan to play a trickster druid (CN, fey inclined) it seemed like a fun experiment.

Sake of Arguement, there is both a Squid and a Octopus animal companion option (Bestiary 1 for both). Evolved Companion to take the Gills upgrade (which is technically about breathing underwater, but most GMs would allow it so an aquatic creature can breath out of water. Plus, technically, the animal companion entry doesn't gain the aquatic subtype so can breath normally on land...).

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