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Feeling Cheesed off at show I was enjoying


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I like true crime and was watching a true crime show. But then they insinuated that a murder was connected to the killer playing D&D and other such games and even suggested (in a clumsy way) LARPING as being a factor. I really thought that we'd moved past this. Wasn't that b!#~!!$& supposed to happen back, well back before I was born. The whole D&D makes you evil/a killer/whatever.
*sighs*
So, are people still really buying into that crap?


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True Crime...I am not familiar with the show.

Yeah I see that still sometimes...or more likely the whole nerd sterotype.

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John Kretzer wrote:

True Crime...I am not familiar with the show.

Yeah I see that still sometimes...or more likely the whole nerd sterotype.

True Crime is a Genre


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What was the show Than?


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You could write them a letter. I think that is something people used to do. So i'm told anyways.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
You could write them a letter. I think that is something people used to do. So i'm told anyways.

The epoisode might be almost 10 years old though...


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OH well then isn't that kind of your answer then? they just showing reruns. I think now a days dnd and dnd type stuff is far more acceptable.


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Sounds like a show I saw recently. Can't remember the name, but the murderer was a heavy role player in both Vampire the Masqeraude and D&D. Made me kinda angry to see them placing some of the blame on the game when his favorite shirt had more to do with the case.


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OOOH Beware Rock music, dnd, video games, movies, media, lack of media, sex, etc.etc.etc. will make you worship the devil and go on killing sprees!

(that is like all my favorite things too.)


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Killing sprees?


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Don't judge me

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Azten wrote:
Sounds like a show I saw recently. Can't remember the name, but the murderer was a heavy role player in both Vampire the Masqeraude and D&D. Made me kinda angry to see them placing some of the blame on the game when his favorite shirt had more to do with the case.

Might be the same case.


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I remember a episode of NYPD Blues (I think that was the name) where the culprit was a D&D player...and he tried to cast a spell on the detective. The detective grabbed him by the throat and said.
..

"Don't try that D&D crap on me"

I stopped watching the show at that point.

Than there was a movie...a comedy...where are bunch of wannabe band take over a radio station to get them to play their demo. The cops tried to discredit one of them with yearbook picture of him being the D&D club president...looking all nerdy.

Never will watch that movie again.


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second movie is air heads Brandon Fraser Adam Sandler and Steve Buscemi. made in 94 so before nerd culture came into power.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
second movie is air heads Brandon Fraser Adam Sandler and Steve Buscemi. made in 94 so before nerd culture came into power.

Yeah that was it...I just remember getting pissed of. Around the same time I remember a SNL sketch with the same joke...that is when I really started hating Adam Sandler.


Eh I just don't let that stuff get to me. I look at it like I'm awesome some people aren't its the way of the world.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Eh I just don't let that stuff get to me. I look at it like I'm awesome some people aren't its the way of the world.

Yeah now I would probably ignore it...but at the time it just struck me as insulting as the joke is 'Look at those loosens playing D&D'

Though the cop show was shocking more to me because of the violence and hate in the cop...and they don't explain it has cop being in the wrong.

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...having been stopped by police thirty-something years ago because they thought I *might* have *gaming paraphernalia* (their words, not mine) and only dodging that bullet because I picked up a model plane kit that day rather than the D&D module I'd been planning on buying...

...some memories don't die.

Brief Backstory:
A year or so before that point, a troubled individual murdered two people in Colorado and then blamed the games they were playing for it. Due to the nature of the exceptionally conservative religious faction in said community, it became difficult if not downright impossible to game.

When it's easier to get a porno mag or cigarettes when you're underage than a rules supplement in that same community...


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
...having been stopped by police thirty-something years ago because they thought I *might* have *gaming paraphernalia* (their words, not mine) and only dodging that bullet because I picked up a model plane kit that day rather than the D&D module I'd been planning on buying...

...Was there some law outlawing "game paraphernalia" on the books somehow? If not, what was their game plan, you think?

"This man is carrying perfectly legal materials! Cuff him!"

The jokes, of course, cover a huge violation of civil rights in the form of an illegal search anyway, but what can't you laugh at?


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The first definition I heard about RPGs was «a game that makes you go insane and kill people».
I decided I was tired of my sanity and of people who deserved to be kilked so I gave it a try.
But instead of it, I became a more sociable person and learned a lot about teamwork and putting myself in the place of other people. What a pity.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

...having been stopped by police thirty-something years ago because they thought I *might* have *gaming paraphernalia* (their words, not mine) and only dodging that bullet because I picked up a model plane kit that day rather than the D&D module I'd been planning on buying...

...some memories don't die.

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Yeah that would stick with you. Did the town past a ordinance or something?

The only anti-D&D I faced was when I was hanging out with a group of friends (though more it was friends of a friend) a young priest who knew them came up to us and started talking to them...I guess it was some kind of youth outreach thing.

Any D&D came up..and we started a conversation about it. It was friendly but it was clear he had no idea what he was talking about it.

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Yeah that would stick with you. Did the town past a ordinance or something?

The only anti-D&D I faced was when I was hanging out with a group of friends (though more it was friends of a friend) a young priest who knew them came up to us and started talking to them...I guess it was some kind of youth outreach thing.

Any D&D came up..and we started a conversation about it. It was friendly but it was clear he had no idea what he was talking about it.

I was in the 12-14 age bracket at the time.

The idea (especially back then) that the police knew what they were doing all the time and respected for it kind of took front stage there.

The environment changed by the late '80's somewhat, inasmuch as it wasn't 'gaming' but 'D&D' in particular.

So, for example, the newly arisen gaming shop had a whole bunch of Palladium stuff, FASA stuff, etc, but nothing from TSR.


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There was a truly atrocious story in Sweden a while back. A 22 year old had been murdered and dismembered, then found. The investigation didn't find much at first, but the media did. They focused on his interest in Vampire live games. He had a website, and they took a photo from there, darkened it, and published that alongside an article about how his death could probably have something to do with his RPG interest. They even invited our resident paranoid kookyhead RPG-hater from the 80s to write as 'an expert on RPGs' because she had apparently been threatened by someone somewhen. They let her write anonymously, but nobody missed who she was. And she blathered about how dangerous RPGs were and how they increased the risk of suicide.

Apparently by their theory the young man had not only killed himself because RPGs, he had also managed to DISMEMBER HIS OWN BODY because RPGs.

After a while, of course, the police found some druggie lowlives who had invited the young man to rob him, then killed him and butchered him. After this came out, there was no retraction, no apologies, nothing. The 'expert' has not opened her mouth in public again, so if anything good came of this, that is it.

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An episode of BBC's Luther had twins playing some kind of murder RPG where they used dice and RPG elements to decide how to commit random acts of violence. I thought it was interesting and the whole RPG thing was really a side point for Luther to get into the heads of the homicidal maniacs. The show didn't really scapegoat RPGs for the crimes like in the past. A modern take on crazy people being crazy and RPGs not making them that way.

There was a murder case in Alaska about ten years ago or so. The courts and media went nuts over the suspect's love of D&D online. A double whammy of satanic D&D and violent video games. Nancy (dis)Grace went to town shouting "D&D video game!?" over and over again as if a smoking gun of guilt. Though it never really caught on, which is when I realized the whole satanic panic is pretty much over.

So the whole "never watching Airheads again" thing seems a bit of an overreaction to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an element of people hiding their embarrassing sides and everyone basically coming to agreement that they shouldn't in fact be ashamed? Didn't Chris Farely reveal some embarrassing trait and one guy talking about skids in his underwear? I believe the ultimate message was a positive one. They just chose D&D to contrast a rock 'n' roll dude to highlight the point in a hyperbolic way that ultimately doesn't matter. /shrug


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John Kretzer wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
second movie is air heads Brandon Fraser Adam Sandler and Steve Buscemi. made in 94 so before nerd culture came into power.
Yeah that was it...I just remember getting pissed of. Around the same time I remember a SNL sketch with the same joke...that is when I really started hating Adam Sandler.

Adam Sandler and I grew up in the same town, and we were in high school at the same time (though not at the same school or grade). I didn't know him all that well, but we had a couple of friends in common, and occasinally we were at the same events.

Honestly, I thought he was kind of a jerk.


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Everybody is a jerk in high school.


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A couple of years ago they released the Darkest Dungeon movie. Law & Order also did their clumsy video game killer episode.

It'll never stop. Really, it could be considered a normalization of the hobby. After all, it's popular enough for people to unreasonably hate it which is nice.


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Johnnycat93 wrote:

A couple of years ago they released the Darkest Dungeon movie. Law & Order also did their clumsy video game killer episode.

It'll never stop. Really, it could be considered a normalization of the hobby. After all, it's popular enough for people to unreasonably hate it which is nice.

The Darkest Dungeon movie was meant as satire, even though they played it straight. I'm not sure they mentioned that to the Chick estate though. :)

It was released at GenCon. I doubt it made any impact outside gaming circles.


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Pan wrote:
So the whole "never watching Airheads again" thing seems a bit of an overreaction to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an element of people hiding their embarrassing sides and everyone basically coming to agreement that they shouldn't in fact be ashamed? Didn't Chris Farely reveal some embarrassing trait and one guy talking about skids in his underwear? I believe the ultimate message was a positive one. They just chose D&D to contrast a rock 'n' roll dude to highlight the point in a hyperbolic way that ultimately doesn't matter. /shrug

So equating D&D with skids in his underwear is the a good message about D&D Players?

Rock N' Roll was okay and cool because he gave up playing D&D...yup that is a positive message.

Maybe it is a over reaction to never watch again...but than again sitting there watching with my siblings and getting made fun of because I play D&D...because the movie made it Okay to do so...might also have fed my reaction.


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Eh I was/am a huge metal fan to me metal and DnD go together like peanut butter and jelly. heck just ask led zeppelin.

Hasn't that been a thing for some time Hair bands playing DnD?


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Also you should of finished. the ending is about how everybody has weird quirks and that doesn't stop us from rocking out.


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Oh I finished it. Was not impressed by the message.


See your getting irritated about things made almost 20 years ago times have changed since. at one point being smart was not cool. like wtf is that? Its hard to hold old media sources in comparison to the same expectations as today.

Its like expecting Ernest Hemingway to be more racially sensitive and forgetting he wrote in coming from a racially biased culture.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:

See your getting irritated about things made almost 20 years ago times have changed since. at one point being smart was not cool. like wtf is that? Its hard to hold old media sources in comparison to the same expectations as today.

Its like expecting Ernest Hemingway to be more racially sensitive and forgetting he wrote in coming from a racially biased culture.

Actually my feelings about the movie are the ones I had back than. So I am not judging it by today's standards.

I mean if they wanted the message you are saying it had...would it not have been better delivered by that character saying he still plays and what of It?


probably maybe they were going for subtext but early 90's wasn't as big on pc. I'm just saying you shouldn't let it get to you. I mean hell nerds won nerd culture is everywhere.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
probably maybe they were going for subtext but early 90's wasn't as big on pc. I'm just saying you shouldn't let it get to you. I mean hell nerds won nerd culture is everywhere.

Shrug...I don't think it is getting to me...just don't want to see the movie again is all.

It might be more of brining about bad memories of my siblings making fun of me...

Maybe I should see a therapist...but seeing how it is a Adam Sandler movie anyway I don't think I am missing much by not seeing it again


lol fair.
Glad i'm the oldest my siblings didn't make fun cause I could throw them. actually I got 2/3 of them into dnd as well soo...

*resists urge to endorse therapy* (nothing personal just psych grad)

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John Kretzer wrote:


Maybe I should see a therapist...but seeing how it is a Adam Sandler movie anyway I don't think I am missing much by not seeing it again

Pretty much this. I had not even thought about Airheads in 20 years until this thread. Best left forgotten.


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Johnnycat93 wrote:

A couple of years ago they released the Darkest Dungeon movie. Law & Order also did their clumsy video game killer episode.

It'll never stop. Really, it could be considered a normalization of the hobby. After all, it's popular enough for people to unreasonably hate it which is nice.

The Darkest Dungeon movie was meant as satire, even though they played it straight. I'm not sure they mentioned that to the Chick estate though. :)

It was released at GenCon. I doubt it made any impact outside gaming circles.

Dark Dungeons is a short film version of the infamous "Dark Dungeons" Jack Chick tract. While the film technically plays it straight, it's completely tongue-in-cheek satire. It's only about 40 minutes long. It's produced by Zombie Orpheus Entertainment, who also produced The Gamers film series and the JourneyQuest web series.

It's really funny, and anyone who ever played D&D during the Satanic Panic of the 1980s shoud defintely pony up the $5 to buy a copy! It's chock full of RPG in-jokes. I recall that Eric Mona said that that Paizo even donated a few hardcopies of Pathfinder books that get burned in the bonfire at the end.

Jack Chick Publications received a grand total of $0 for the licensing rights. (They didn't ask for any, as I recall.)


Airheads is not an Adam Sandler movie. It's just a movie with Adam Sandler in it. The movie was really just a vehicle to sell the soundtrack (which was okay).


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There are lots of reasons to dislike The Big Bang Theory, but its treatment of nerd/scientist subculture as something to be ridiculed is certainly at the top of the list.

Honestly though, other than that show or shows that clearly cater to an older generation, our culture clearly has embraced geek pop culture.


And yes, people are still buying into that crap.


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as far as getting cheese off/frustrated by shows I watch, I have been watching Merlin on netflix while working on powerpoints, and I desperately need a break. That shows insistence to maintaining formula is aggravating as hell sometimes.


MMC,

Yeah that was an annoying show. But the actors were good.


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During this big blizzard that enveloped the East Coast for the past couple of days, my 17-year-old daughter and I have been binge-watching the SyFy series The Expanse.

We're both really enjoying it, but we realized that this show doesn't pass the Bechdel Test.

While there are some strong and interesting female characters in the series, they're outnumbered by male characters by about four-to-one. And one of the most interesting female characters dies off-screen, seemingly only to serve as motivation to one of the male leads.

This got me to thinking about most of the genre television I've been watching: Most shows with an ensemble cast have some decent female characters, but usually not very many, and many of those female characters rarely are in the same scene together.

So many genre shows make an effort to include an interesting female character or two, and even put women in minor roles of in-world importance... but then the main cast is pretty much a sausage party.

It's really annoying!

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Haladir wrote:

During this big blizzard that enveloped the East Coast for the past couple of days, my 17-year-old daughter and I have been binge-watching the SyFy series The Expanse.

We're both really enjoying it, but we realized that this show doesn't pass the Bechdel Test.

While there are some strong and interesting female characters in the series, they're outnumbered by male characters by about four-to-one. And one of the most interesting female characters dies off-screen, seemingly only to serve as motivation to one of the male leads.

This got me to thinking about most of the genre television I've been watching: Most shows with an ensemble cast have some decent female characters, but usually not very many, and many of those female characters rarely are in the same scene together.

So many genre shows make an effort to include an interesting female character or two, and even put women in minor roles of in-world importance... but then the main cast is pretty much a sausage party.

It's really annoying!

Not the best Television in my opinion, but The 100 is probably the closest thing to balanced male/female characters I've seen in a long time.


Haladir wrote:

During this big blizzard that enveloped the East Coast for the past couple of days, my 17-year-old daughter and I have been binge-watching the SyFy series The Expanse.

We're both really enjoying it, but we realized that this show doesn't pass the Bechdel Test.

While there are some strong and interesting female characters in the series, they're outnumbered by male characters by about four-to-one. And one of the most interesting female characters dies off-screen, seemingly only to serve as motivation to one of the male leads.

This got me to thinking about most of the genre television I've been watching: Most shows with an ensemble cast have some decent female characters, but usually not very many, and many of those female characters rarely are in the same scene together.

So many genre shows make an effort to include an interesting female character or two, and even put women in minor roles of in-world importance... but then the main cast is pretty much a sausage party.

It's really annoying!

That is about to get better, I believe. Leviathan Wakes is basically a sausage fest, but the show just transitioned into the adaption of Caliban's War which has two female protagonists who eventually will work together.


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We've watched through S2E2.

Again, I want to emphasize that we both really do like this series. Our complaints are about how it could have been better.

I have not read the source novels, so I am judging the TV series purely on its own merits.

On the Bechdel Test: The only conversation of any significance between two women so far is in Season 1, when Avasarala visits Holden's mother... and the conversation is about Holden.

There's really no reason that another member of Holden's crew couldn't have been a woman. I mean, they could have written Alex as a woman, and they wouldn't have had to change anything about the character... not even her name!

Another character development that annoyed me is the sexual relationship that developed between Holden and Naomi. From a writing perspective, it seemed really forced. That relationship really seems to be telegraphing the message that a woman isn't really valuable/important to the plot unless she's having sex with the male lead. From that perspective, I don't see why that relationship had to be in the plot. I'm hoping it leads somewhere important plot-wise... as long as that plot-point isn't that Naomi is being set up as Holden's emotional heartstring to pull when the writers kill her off to motivate him. (That trope is such lazy writing.)

I mean, when the writers of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. did that very thing in Season 3 by killing off Rosalind Price to motivate Coulson to action, I literally screamed at the TV and threw my Roku remote across the room. I then rage-quit watching the show... well, at least until it dropped on Netflix.


Haladir,

I get that was upsetting, but I still am glad we got rid of Rosalind myself.

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