If a character is possessed by a shadow demon and someone casts protection from evil on them, does the shadow demon get a will save to resist the protection spell?
What about if this is instead a harm spell cast on the host, who rolls the will save?
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What about if this is instead a harm spell cast on the host, who rolls the will save?
For this I would probably have to judge on a spell by spell basis for how it works. However I would likely default to reflex/fort/physical damage would be possessed/body stats, will saves would be possessing spirit, or possibly both (area effect) but only the controlling spirit would be visually seen with how the creature acts.
Anyone else?
The creature touch is the one that is touched, not the "rider". That is why you can't stab your possessed buddy to kill the rider/possessing creature.
Bumping this to get some more discussion.
To summarize the knowns:
All spells and effects target the possessed and stay with the possessed after the possession ends with the exception of charms and compulsions.
The possessor keeps their Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, level, class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, alignment, and mental abilities.
The possessor uses the possessed Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, hit points, natural abilities, and automatic abilities.
The possessor's life force occupies the host body. Generally in full control.
From these knowns I'm making a few assumptions:
As charms and compulsions effect and stay with the possessor, so do all effects that are mind-effecting.
Any saves are made by possessor, modified by the possessed stats as appropriate, as they are in full control of the possessed body.
From these, I rule that all spells targeting the possessed or possessor will resisted by the possessor as is typical in combat. Meaning if you cast protection from evil on a possessed creature, the possessor will attempt a will save to resist the spell. Or if you cast Harm in the attempt to make a controlled takedown the possessor will attempt the resist the spell, much like the possessor would resist a Sound Burst or Entangle.
Any disagreements?
Clarification: charms and compulsions only effect the possessor if the caster knows the target is possessed and deliberately targets the possessor. Default is they target the possessed with these effects, but exercise no control until the possession ends.
This is why you simply keep an clear spindle ioun stone in a wayfinder.
Because yes, if you try to cast protection from evil on an already possessed person, the possessor can attempt to avoid/resist it.
Clarification: charms and compulsions only effect the possessor if the caster knows the target is possessed and deliberately targets the possessor. Default is they target the possessed with these effects, but exercise no control until the possession ends.
I missed this, thanks.
This is why you simply keep an clear spindle ioun stone in a wayfinder.
Got a new group of players, they are learning some most lessons the hard way.
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This is why you simply keep an clear spindle ioun stone in a wayfinder.
Because yes, if you try to cast protection from evil on an already possessed person, the possessor can attempt to avoid/resist it.
Eh... I choose to do it because a charmed/possessed Monk with Pummeling Style/Charge + Str Build = TPK