Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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I have an a goofy character concept that Im working on but I was just wondering. Can a companion (In this case an Eidolon) worship a different god from the PC for a mechanical effect? Its really not that big of a deal either way but I just want to make sure before I start picking feats up later on that I shouldn't.
Sure. Why the heck not? Mixed marriages are a thing.
I'm not sure its ever been brought up before.
What were you thinking about taking?
Eidolons have the same alignment as their Summoner.
Honestly, I'm not sure it even makes sense for Eidolons to worship any of the gods.
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Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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Sure. Why the heck not? Mixed marriages are a thing.Well its not really arbitrary more than the concept is that the Summoner is a worshiper of Chaldira Zuzaristan and the Eidolon is a divine aspect of Desna horrified as to what could happen to him.
Honestly, I'm not sure it even makes sense for Eidolons to worship any of the gods.
It seems really arbitrary as to whether or not the Eidolons would. The one I was thinking of playing is basically themed as just a former mortal soul whose decided to help the summoner (Ancestor). At that point why wouldn't an Eidolon have a god they worship?
Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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I'm not sure its ever been brought up before.
What were you thinking about taking?
Eidolons have the same alignment as their Summoner.
Honestly, I'm not sure it even makes sense for Eidolons to worship any of the gods.
Unchained eidolons do not have the same alignment as the summoner. And Eidolons are projections of specific outsiders, and we know outsiders worship deities because several deities have them as heralds. Now in their case worship may be a bit more like serving a feudal lord who you see every day, but still...
It seems really arbitrary as to whether or not the Eidolons would. The one I was thinking of playing is basically themed as just a former mortal soul whose decided to help the summoner (Ancestor). At that point why wouldn't an Eidolon have a god they worship?
You could reflavor things this way.
But do remember that at least the standard setting is that when people die that are judged by Pharasma and their soul goes to the plane that is appropriate based on deity/alignment. While there they become a petitioner, losing pretty much all sense of personal identity of their former existence and then after time will usually become the lowest form of outsider for that plane. However, to my knowledge I don't think that actually includes Eidolons. And for a petitioner to actually retain memories of mortal life into the transformation of an outsider, usually involves the direct intervention of a deity "promoting" the soul.
But if you're going for more a summoner feel like Final Fantasy 9, where living people became the summons...then it could make sense for them to have a deity.
Unchained eidolons do not have the same alignment as the summoner. And Eidolons are projections of specific outsiders, and we know outsiders worship deities because several deities have them as heralds. Now in their case worship may be a bit more like serving a feudal lord who you see every day, but still...I'm not sure its ever been brought up before.
What were you thinking about taking?
Eidolons have the same alignment as their Summoner.
Honestly, I'm not sure it even makes sense for Eidolons to worship any of the gods.
Eidolons are not "projections" of outsiders. They just are outsiders. But being an outsider doesn't mean you automatically worship a deity. Yes deities have outsiders for heralds. That doesn't mean all outsiders have deities or worship them. Only that some do.
Lore wise, I'm trying to actually remember where it is that Eidolon's arise from. I keep thinking it's from one of the chaotic planes, but that doesn't fit for Eidolons of non-chaotic alignments.
I once had a summoner who worshiped Ashava.
His eidolon believed that she was Ashava.
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Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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It seems really arbitrary as to whether or not the Eidolons would. The one I was thinking of playing is basically themed as just a former mortal soul whose decided to help the summoner (Ancestor). At that point why wouldn't an Eidolon have a god they worship?You could reflavor things this way.
But do remember that at least the standard setting is that when people die that are judged by Pharasma and their soul goes to the plane that is appropriate based on deity/alignment. While there they become a petitioner, losing pretty much all sense of personal identity of their former existence and then after time will usually become the lowest form of outsider for that plane. However, to my knowledge I don't think that actually includes Eidolons. And for a petitioner to actually retain memories of mortal life into the transformation of an outsider, usually involves the direct intervention of a deity "promoting" the soul.
But if you're going for more a summoner feel like Final Fantasy 9, where living people became the summons...then it could make sense for them to have a deity.
Apparently the fluff is that you are yanking a petitioner from the process. It's kind of a vague concept as three different origins are given for the same subtype.
Edit:And I thought the figment tumor familiar was the weirdest out of my Wayang trio...
Apparently the fluff is that you are yanking a petitioner from the process. It's kind of a vague concept as three different origins are given for the same subtype.
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And I thought the figment tumor familiar was the weirdest out of my Wayang trio...
Do you have a source for that? I'd like to read more about it.
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An eidolon is a different beast (pun intended) and I don't know how that would function but in case someone looks at the title of the thread, note that in the specific case of animal companions there is a rule:
We’ve discussed this as a team, and we’re in agreement that allowing all animal companions to have divine patrons goes beyond what’s intended—just as an animal companion must still be be handled and commanded, even if it somehow acquires a 20 Intelligence. Nonetheless, there’s a case to be made for an animal companion sent by a divine patron to have that deity as its patron. Thus, the following:
An animal companion does not receive a divine patron except under the following exceptions, all but one of which require the animal companion to share the same patron deity as the PC. First, the mount provided by a paladin’s divine bond receives a patron. Second, the animal companion granted by the Animal domain’s animal companion power and Scalykind domain’s serpent companion (or Saurian subdomain’s saurian companion) receives a patron. Third, the animal companions granted by the following archetypes receive patron deities: the sacred huntsmaster (inquisitor), the the divine commander (warpriest), and the divine hunter (hunter) gain a patron. Finally, the imp companion of a diabolist—technically an animal companion—receives a divine patron, but it must be Asmodeus or one of the archdevils.
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Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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Do you have a source for that? I'd like to read more about it.Apparently the fluff is that you are yanking a petitioner from the process. It's kind of a vague concept as three different origins are given for the same subtype.
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And I thought the figment tumor familiar was the weirdest out of my Wayang trio...
I'll double check it when I get home but it's the fluff in Blood of Beasts for the Ancestor eidolon. I'm not sure of the exact wording.
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Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro
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Is this for a butterfly sting/pick combo or something crazier? (curious now)
I was just wondering if I could give the eidolon Deific Observance Desna. There isn't much reason besides wanting to be master of perception which is probably better suited with skill focus.