Pathfinder Boards and Godwin's Law


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Mike Godwin wrote:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"

Is there some sort of equivalent to this rule on the Paizo boards? Something like: "As a Pathfinder Advice thread grows longer, the probability involving a poster saying "talk to your GM" approaches 1"? Or perhaps involving Paladins falling, Caster-Martial Disparity, alignment, an FAQ request, telling players or GMs to ditch the table/kick someone out, dubious "alternative" interpretations of the rules, "my houserules", a 3rd party sales pitch, or Roll vs Role-players?

Basically, what is the Godwin's Law of Paizo boards?


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"As an paizo board discussion grows longer, the probability of getting Bingo approaches 1"

"As a gitp discussion grows longer, the probability of Orcus appearing approaches 1"


"as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Cheliax approaches 1"


Pfft... that's the sort of thing Grandmaster Torch would say....


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...something something fallacy.


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Caster Martial debates always happen because theory crafting (90% of the topics) benefits prepared casters to the point where they can kill anything that is stated up.

Of course, in a real game it's a bit harder to always have the answer with all the things up in your grill and the GM only gives you 30 seconds to deliberate.

Don't worry though, nothing on this board has ever ruined my games... Except for that thread about jumping over a 10f pit.


*blink*

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Really, I wonder why people don't complain more about how unspecific druid's core rulebook spells.

I mean, we had so many debates about how wall of thorns work at my table before we finally made homerule about it that we follow :P And the druid's player has multiple times commented that he thinks spell itself needs whole errata dedicated to it xD

Like, we acknowledge martial caster disparity and other weird parts of the system, but that is the biggest thing that annoys us xP I'm kinda surprised its apparently not that big deal over here

Anyhoo, somebody should make catchy name for this "law" you guys are talking about in op before I get sidetracked more


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Jader7777 wrote:

Caster Martial debates always happen because theory crafting (90% of the topics) benefits prepared casters to the point where they can kill anything that is stated up.

Of course, in a real game it's a bit harder to always have the answer with all the things up in your grill and the GM only gives you 30 seconds to deliberate.

Milo v3 wrote:
"As an paizo board discussion grows longer, the probability of getting Bingo approaches 1"

B3, N1, G2, and O3 already filled in...


CorvusMask wrote:

Really, I wonder why people don't complain more about how unspecific druid's core rulebook spells.

I mean, we had so many debates about how wall of thorns work at my table before we finally made homerule about it that we follow :P And the druid's player has multiple times commented that he thinks spell itself needs whole errata dedicated to it xD

Uh, yeah. That spell is both really interesting and really poorly written. I'm curious what your houserule looks like for it.

The problems I see with it are: it's a wall of thorns that impedes movement. We can infer it also impedes sight, but to what degree? Do I have concealment? Total concealment? What happens if I drop a cloudkill on the same area? Does the wall of thorns block line of effect? Can the cloudkill travel into the area of the wall of thorns? If it can't, does that mean the area in the wall of thorns is therefore airtight, potentially causing suffocation (I doubt it)?

Could really use clarification.

Dark Archive

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Aww man, I was hoping I'd end up accidentally helping with bingo

Oh well,

Ryzoken wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

Really, I wonder why people don't complain more about how unspecific druid's core rulebook spells.

I mean, we had so many debates about how wall of thorns work at my table before we finally made homerule about it that we follow :P And the druid's player has multiple times commented that he thinks spell itself needs whole errata dedicated to it xD

Uh, yeah. That spell is both really interesting and really poorly written. I'm curious what your houserule looks like for it.

The problems I see with it are: it's a wall of thorns that impedes movement. We can infer it also impedes sight, but to what degree? Do I have concealment? Total concealment? What happens if I drop a cloudkill on the same area? Does the wall of thorns block line of effect? Can the cloudkill travel into the area of the wall of thorns? If it can't, does that mean the area in the wall of thorns is therefore airtight, potentially causing suffocation (I doubt it)?

Could really use clarification.

Well, sure I can post my table's take on it:

Our homerule for wall of thorns:

*DC 20 for moving 5ft through the bush, every 5 that gets over DC gives you additional 5 ft movement through the bush
*Damage of the bush is 25 - flat footed AC
*Large and bigger creatures who are partially outside the bush gets circumstance bonuses on strength check. Tiny creatures can roll dexterity instead of strength and diminutive & fine creatures can more freely through it
*Visibility is same as in regular overgrown thorn bush. So concealement for ranged attacks and cover from adjacent square
*in the thinner version of the bush, you can try moving with move action instead of full round action
*Actions that by common sense require movement cause damage, but besides that they can be done without problem. Spells can be cast freely without taking damage, but spells with somatic components need concentration check.

Just to comment, I find it particularly annoying that spell's text mentions that making bush thinner in order to cover larger area means its easier to move through, but doesn't actually say how <_<


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In Paizo forums it's basically the longer a thread goes on the more likely someone is to scream that Fighters need to be buffed.

Doesn't matter the topic.

I watched a thread devolve from, "How can I reduce caster spell slots?" To like 20 pages of Fighters needing a buff.


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I think Wrongbadfun pops up most places eventually.


Fighter suck
Rogue suck
Monk suck
Paladin alignment arguments

These seem to keep growing back like weeds, and always end up locked after some people get hostile enough to get the mods involved.


Chengar Qordath wrote:
Jader7777 wrote:

Caster Martial debates always happen because theory crafting (90% of the topics) benefits prepared casters to the point where they can kill anything that is stated up.

Of course, in a real game it's a bit harder to always have the answer with all the things up in your grill and the GM only gives you 30 seconds to deliberate.

Milo v3 wrote:
"As an paizo board discussion grows longer, the probability of getting Bingo approaches 1"
B3, N1, G2, and O3 already filled in...

Maybe we should have a game of Rules Scrabble? "Paladin" gets to be one of those 10-point letters, whereas Martial/Caster Disparity is one of those 3x multipliers. And the total word score is the most outrage that you can cause in one post!


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As a forum discussion grows longer, the probability of someone invoking the Stormwind Fallacy approaches 1.


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This thread is literally Hitler.


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AS THREAD GO ON, ODDS OF BARBARIAN BEING SHOWN AS BEST CLASS OF ALL TIME ALWAYS AM APPROACHING 1.


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AM BARBARIAN wrote:
AS THREAD GO ON, ODDS OF BARBARIAN BEING SHOWN AS BEST CLASS OF ALL TIME ALWAYS AM APPROACHING 1.

To be fair Barbarian is always number 1.

So it would make sense.


THAT AM VERY TRUE. BARBARIAN AM ALWAYS WINNER.


What happens when to Babarians collide?


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you get a 3rd barbarian?


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"As an online discussion on the Paizo boards grows longer, the probability of a poster accusing another poster of having BadWrongFun approaches 1"


Chromantic Durgon <3 wrote:
What happens when to Babarians collide?

BARBARIAN AM STILL ALWAYS WINNER. DUH.


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Gulthor wrote:
"As an online discussion on the Paizo boards grows longer, the probability of a poster accusing another poster of having BadWrongFun approaches 1"

I think this is the one honestly. It fits every topic


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
AM BARBARIAN wrote:
AS THREAD GO ON, ODDS OF BARBARIAN BEING SHOWN AS BEST CLASS OF ALL TIME ALWAYS AM APPROACHING 1.

To be fair Barbarian is always number 1.

So it would make sense.
Chromantic Durgon <3 wrote:
What happens when to Babarians collide?

Well, they're both #1...

We are #1?


As a discussion on any Gamer board gets longer, the probability that it gets derailed by silliness approaches 1.


Or bitterness

Shadow Lodge

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"As a Paizo board discussion grows longer, the probability of getting a smurf approaches 1"


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Tolkien is the Godwin of Pathfinder. Eventually somebody will reference Tolkien to justify a position, lend credit to their one true way, or otherwise attempt to bolster their argument.


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Scythia wrote:
Tolkien is the Godwin of Pathfinder. Eventually somebody will reference Tolkien to justify a position, lend credit to their one true way, or otherwise attempt to bolster their argument.

One Way to rule them all, One Way to find them, One Way to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Paizo where the Shadows lie.


My Self wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
AM BARBARIAN wrote:
AS THREAD GO ON, ODDS OF BARBARIAN BEING SHOWN AS BEST CLASS OF ALL TIME ALWAYS AM APPROACHING 1.

To be fair Barbarian is always number 1.

So it would make sense.
Chromantic Durgon <3 wrote:
What happens when to Babarians collide?

Well, they're both #1...

We are #1?

Do you mean "WE AM #1?"


BARBARIAN DO HAVE INCREDIBLY PROMINENT AND NOTABLE CHIN...


4E reference which often spawns an edition war tangent

Granted this has declined with 5E being the new default DnD, but it still happens


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Chromantic Durgon <3 wrote:
Gulthor wrote:
"As an online discussion on the Paizo boards grows longer, the probability of a poster accusing another poster of having BadWrongFun approaches 1"
I think this is the one honestly. It fits every topic

This!

It's either omg rofllol that build sucks so hard!

Or shame on you for Charisma 7! How can you? You are ruining my hobby!

Personally I see more of the latter, but that might be subjective.


The longer a paizo thread gets, the more the probability of a heated and personal debate with misconceptions approaches 1.


If you don't worship Paizo, you're basically the same as Hitler.


The longer a rules question thread gets, the probability of a debate about what exactly the Magus is doing with his/her hands approaches 1.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
The longer a rules question thread gets, the probability of a debate about what exactly the Magus is doing with his/her hands approaches 1.

That is a lot of interest about what they do with their hands. That is private info, thank you very much.

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