Pact Worlds Questions


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We know that it's specifically these few planets that have formed on alliance to work together, but do they try to force their ways onto other planets? Do they intend to spread this government to more planets? If so, do you think there are Rebels such as the Browncoats from Firefly?


I get the feeling that the Pact Worlds is more UN like, it is there to keep everyone from getting into a system wide war, not a controlling polity. in other systems there are likely to be far less populated worlds and far fewer governments. its easier to run and keep Absalom station the center of politicking.

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We need more info on the Pact and how the Pact Worlds govern themselves. Is it like a interplanetary UN? Does the Pact actually have any authority over its member worlds? Given that several of the planets described in Distant Worlds have separate nation-states, are there separate representatives for each nation, or is there a unifying governmental force for every world now? How many of the solar system's planets aren't members of the Pact? Does the Pact claim jurisdiction over the entire solar system, or are non-signatory worlds recognized as sovereign? Is the Diaspora a member of the Pact, or a bunch of members, or does someone else claim it (Eox maybe?)?

Most importantly, if the Trade Federation is blockading my planet, is the Pact where I go to begin my rise to declaring myself Emperor?


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Shisumo wrote:

Most importantly, if the Trade Federation is blockading my planet, is the Pact where I go to begin my rise to declaring myself Emperor?

Also if there isn't a nigh all powerful Bone Sage of Eox who has a creepy relationship with Hayden Christensen, I will be disappointed.


The UN is merely a forum for nations to discuss their differences, it includes all the bad nations, the dictators, and others. I think NATO would be a better analogy.

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Tom Kalbfus wrote:
The UN is merely a forum for nations to discuss their differences, it includes all the bad nations, the dictators, and others. I think NATO would be a better analogy.

Do we have some reason to think that the Pact Worlds are actually allies?


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The word 'pact' does suggest it


the pact could just be a non agression thing, a pact to try diplomacy instead of going to interplanetary war and repeating the lessons of Eox again.


I don't think the Pact should be the only game in town, there needs to be an "Evil Empire" somewhere. The Pact is formed by various nations banding together for mutual defense. I'd guess the Pact are the "Good Guys", the "Bad Guys" are out there causing trouble.


I'd guess the pact is a lawful nonaggression kinda deal. After all, Eox, which is mostly populated by lawful evil bone sages, is a staunch member of the Pact Worlds.


So maybe its a collection of puppet states like the Warsaw Pact was. Some Empires are not secure with themselves, the need a label to lend themselves legitimacy, so they resort to using false labels such as the People's Republic of China, and the German Democratic Republic (East Germany). Maybe there are people stupid enough to think the lawful evil bone sages are the good guys.

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I think "Pact Worlds" is from a metagame perspective, analogous to "Inner Sea nations" - a convenient label for "default setting of the game" rather than a suggestion that everyone involved is someone the PCs should be supporting.


I got the impression that Pact Worlds was a very much in game term to refer to all of the inhabited worlds in the system and how they lawfully divided out their influence and systems of laws for local space. As for the Evil Empire we have Eox (the lesser of all other evils though it is also right next door...) the Dominion of the Black is probably still kicking around, who knows what is up with our Zerg/Tyronoid stand in Swarm, and probably at least one more major baddie that will be introduced in either core or our first AP. and then we can probably expect some villian of the week stuff spread throughout the APs as well. Gobbos too i bet. Lots of Gobbos... who come out at night, mostly. (its always night in space) ... (Need to write a module named, "its always night in space".)

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While we are not doing details yet, the Pact Worlds are definitely just a set of the things we cover. There's stuff well beyond the Pact Worlds.


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Simeon wrote:
I'd guess the pact is a lawful nonaggression kinda deal. After all, Eox, which is mostly populated by lawful evil bone sages, is a staunch member of the Pact Worlds.

Do you have a source for that bit?

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David knott 242 wrote:
Simeon wrote:
I'd guess the pact is a lawful nonaggression kinda deal. After all, Eox, which is mostly populated by lawful evil bone sages, is a staunch member of the Pact Worlds.

Do you have a source for that bit?

The Polygon article from a couple months ago.


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Shisumo wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:
Simeon wrote:
I'd guess the pact is a lawful nonaggression kinda deal. After all, Eox, which is mostly populated by lawful evil bone sages, is a staunch member of the Pact Worlds.

Do you have a source for that bit?

The Polygon article from a couple months ago.

Ah, thanks -- I missed that reference when I looked at that article before.


Going off of that very interview, it did say that the bone sages are savvy with interplanetary politics, which does give credence to the notion that the Pact Worlds are an organization. Furthermore this interview states that Verces is the head of Pact World technology and industry, along with being the home of the Stewards, a police force that maintains the Pact. The Pact Worlds likely agree to the aforementioned Pact, following their laws and regulations, in return for protection, trade, and shared technological benefits, somewhat like an interstellar United Nations or European Union.


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Steward prestige class announcement when? Do they fight with laser swords or extendable quarterstaffs?

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Verces has no king. Verces needs no king.

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The new information we have on the vesk and their role in interstellar politics suggests the Pact Worlds may be closer to NATO or the Warsaw Pact than the UN - a mutual defense pact that spilled over into a shared set of legal and economic agreements.

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Aunders wrote:
We know that it's specifically these few planets that have formed on alliance to work together, but do they try to force their ways onto other planets? Do they intend to spread this government to more planets? If so, do you think there are Rebels such as the Browncoats from Firefly?

EXPANSE!!!!

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Voss wrote:
The word 'pact' does suggest it

\\"Pact" could simply be a wishful thought, but in reality a very loose organization. Or it could be like the Warsaw Pact, controlled from a central power.

Bottom line - we don't know.


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The Vesk blog suggests that the Pact Worlds were originally set up as a mutual defense pact against the Vesk, who apparently control a solar system near the Golarion solar system.


Is there a list somewhere of the Pact Worlds? I've read Distant Worlds. Can I assume that every planet of the Absalom Station Solar System is a pact world (with the notable exception of the missing Golarian?)


There is also Apostae which may or may not still be around considering it is a super huge starship it could have awakened and moved out by the time Starfinder picks up.

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GM Hmm wrote:

Is there a list somewhere of the Pact Worlds? I've read Distant Worlds. Can I assume that every planet of the Absalom Station Solar System is a pact world (with the notable exception of the missing Golarian?)

I believe that Aucturn has been explicitly noted as not being part of the Pact (and the Pact Worlds kinda nervous about it). I should emphasize the "I believe" there, though, because I don't have any idea where I originally saw this information.


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So far, only Eox and Verces are confirmed as being members of the Pact Worlds, but I would be very surprised if the Pact Worlds did not also include Akiton, Castrovel, and Absalom Station at the very least.


I'd guess Bretheda has a decent chance of joining, as the Brethedans are fairly receptive to new species. The Sarcesians of the Diaspora might join as well, although they might not want to due to the Eoxians presence.

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