Polymorph question

[Murdock Mudeater]

When a creature is under the effects of Polymorph, are they considered a Polymorphed version of their creature type, or are they considered part of the new creature type, for the purposes of skills and abilities dependent on form?

For example, to ID a Human Druid using Wild Shape to become a Cat, do I use Knowledge Nature or Knowledge Local?

What about Ranger Favored Enemy (Human), would it apply to the Human Druid using Wild Shape to become a Cat?

Question isn't unique to Druids, but they were an easy example.

[James Risner]

Polymorph doesn't change type.

Ask your GM on ID, I'd only allow KNature to ID the cat as a cat.

Favored Enemy Human works on the human Cat.

[Ravingdork]

I agree with James.

[Murdock Mudeater]

Thanks.

[Lorewalker]

What I'd allow... using the Druid to cat example
Perception vs Disguise to tell if you successfully look like a cat or if you botched the appearance. This will only tell an observer that you are not what you appear to be... but will not tell what you are.

Knowledge Nature to tell what kind of cat, but not local as they can't know it's a human.

Favored Enemy human will work. Favored Enemy animal will not.

[Imbicatus]

Favored enemy human would work, because the cat would still move a lot like a human. A really great example of this is in Disney's Brave. Meridia's mom is polymorphed into a bear, but she still moves and acts like a human.

[James Risner]

That is unbearable!

[Crayfish Hora]

Guys, I am making a shapeshifting ranger guy and I found this trait that could be of special note. It's called Celluar Match

This trait is also, by RAW, available to anyone who may or may not have secret fluff nanites in their blood. The benefit states that under a polymorph effect, you are only humaniod in regards to what affects you. So you can't be affected by hold animal if you were a druid and wildshaped as a bear.

However, this also brings up the opposite. Without the benefit stated above, it would be easy to say that if a dragon is polymorphed into a humanoid and you got abosultely livid at it parading itself around, when you knew it was a dragon and that it had wronged you with its terrible puns, you could cast dominate person and that it would affect the dragon, maybe. Maybe a dragon isn't the best example, but the dragon is just an example; the base creature is not what is important in the example.

[Jeraa]

Crayfish Hora wrote:

Guys, I am making a shapeshifting ranger guy and I found this trait that could be of special note. It's called Celluar Match

This trait is also, by RAW, available to anyone who may or may not have secret fluff nanites in their blood. The benefit states that under a polymorph effect, you are only humaniod in regards to what affects you. So you can't be affected by hold animal if you were a druid and wildshaped as a bear.

However, this also brings up the opposite. Without the benefit stated above, it would be easy to say that if a dragon is polymorphed into a humanoid and you got abosultely livid at it parading itself around, when you knew it was a dragon and that it had wronged you with its terrible puns, you could cast dominate person and that it would affect the dragon, maybe. Maybe a dragon isn't the best example, but the dragon is just an example; the base creature is not what is important in the example.

The base creature is important - that trait is for androids (not everyone). Androids have the following:

Quote:

Constructed (Ex) For the purposes of effects targeting creatures by type (such as a ranger's favored enemy and bane weapons), androids count both as humanoids and as constructs. Androids gain a +4 racial bonus on all saving throws against mind-affecting effects, paralysis, poison, and stun effects. They are not subject to fatigue or exhaustion, and are immune to disease and sleep effects.

The only thing that trait does is remove the android counting as a construct when under the effect of a polymorph spell.

[James Risner]

If you don't have android’s constructed racial trait, that trait does nothing for you like tail terror and racial heritage kobold on a human doesn't give them a tail.