Guy Humual |
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I only just came across this today and I didn't see anyone talking about it in the off topic section so I thought I'd post this here as it's kind of relevant to gaming. We have fake and imaginary fur in Pathfinder. Could PeTA be coming after other RPGs next? It's a pretty ridiculous story and one that diminishes what little I've thought of PeTA, but I thought I'd share.
I'm Hiding In Your Closet |
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It's kind of a lame thing for them to be concerned about, but it's consistent with what their stance has always been.
From what I hear, PETA's philosophy is that somebody has to represent the fringe of your direction in order to get movement in your direction (to say nothing of the fact that whoever is perceived as furthest out will be labeled by our Dumbf#!@ Media as "the irrational fringe" no matter how genteel they are, thereby severely punishing moderate approaches), and I can't argue with that.
Guy Humual |
I've seen the full letter. It wasn't calling for the public to ban Warhammer it was asking games workshop not to model fur. Still very odd, considering the models are space Vikings. What do they expect them to wear ... Spandex. Good find on the article though.'very entertaining.
interesting, I haven't been looking too much into it, the link I posted was the first article I saw about it. Would you happen to have a link to the actual letter?
Guy Humual |
Well I didn't see this story on any news site, just in another gaming site, but it still is pretty ridiculous. It's not real fur, it not even faux fur, it's sculpted fur on a model. Anyone ever look at a two inch model and say "I want to wear that?"
Anyways thanks for the link, it clarified things a bit. Rather then talking about banning warhammer they were asking Warhammer to ban fur from their models.
AlgaeNymph |
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Indeed, nothing on the bloody battlefields of Warhammer’s war-torn world could match the horrible reality that foxes, minks, rabbits and other living beings experience at the hands of the fur trade.
They obviously don't know about the Dark Eldar. Or hive worlds. Or anything outside the Tau Empire (or the Palace of Slaanesh). Or the setting in general.
Lord Snow |
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It's kind of a lame thing for them to be concerned about, but it's consistent with what their stance has always been.
From what I hear, PETA's philosophy is that somebody has to represent the fringe of your direction in order to get movement in your direction (to say nothing of the fact that whoever is perceived as furthest out will be labeled by our Dumbf%$@ Media as "the irrational fringe" no matter how genteel they are, thereby severely punishing moderate approaches), and I can't argue with that.
Here's the problem with that, though. If you try to convince me that London is the capital of England and you do it by giving me a link to a Wikipedia article, there's a fair chance I'll be convinced because your argument was reasonable and valid. If instead you would have pointed me to the wikipedia article and to a website ran by conspiracy theorists claiming that London was brought down to Earth by aliens in the 12th century as a gift to mankind, I would be far less likely to trust you on the matter. The reasonable, accurate, convincing Wikipedia article would still be there, but your credibility would be damaged so much by the weird stuff that I'd start questioning even the wiki article simply because you're the one who linked me to it.
If PETA is to convince people of anything, it has to stick to arguments that makes sense, it has to pick and choose it's battles, and it needs to rid itself of those fringe elements that alienate the only people who may otherwise have actually listened to what PETA has to say.
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I was already boycotting Warhammer because I didn't like certain of their business practices. But if PETA is boycotting them, I will have to give serious consideration to buying a Warhammer mini or two.
BigDTBone |
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It's kind of a lame thing for them to be concerned about, but it's consistent with what their stance has always been.
From what I hear, PETA's philosophy is that somebody has to represent the fringe of your direction in order to get movement in your direction (to say nothing of the fact that whoever is perceived as furthest out will be labeled by our Dumbf+@+ Media as "the irrational fringe" no matter how genteel they are, thereby severely punishing moderate approaches), and I can't argue with that.
The US has an entire major political party based on this idea, and it's working great for them.
Storyteller Shadow |
I only just came across this today and I didn't see anyone talking about it in the off topic section so I thought I'd post this here as it's kind of relevant to gaming. We have fake and imaginary fur in Pathfinder. Could PeTA be coming after other RPGs next? It's a pretty ridiculous story and one that diminishes what little I've thought of PeTA, but I thought I'd share.
I had to check 3 rimes to make sure this was not an article from the Onion...
Scythia |
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Guy Humual wrote:I had to check 3 rimes to make sure this was not an article from the Onion...I only just came across this today and I didn't see anyone talking about it in the off topic section so I thought I'd post this here as it's kind of relevant to gaming. We have fake and imaginary fur in Pathfinder. Could PeTA be coming after other RPGs next? It's a pretty ridiculous story and one that diminishes what little I've thought of PeTA, but I thought I'd share.
Do you remember when a large volume of daily news wasn't easily mistaken for satire?
Pepperidge Farms remembers...
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Storyteller Shadow |
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Storyteller Shadow wrote:Guy Humual wrote:I had to check 3 rimes to make sure this was not an article from the Onion...I only just came across this today and I didn't see anyone talking about it in the off topic section so I thought I'd post this here as it's kind of relevant to gaming. We have fake and imaginary fur in Pathfinder. Could PeTA be coming after other RPGs next? It's a pretty ridiculous story and one that diminishes what little I've thought of PeTA, but I thought I'd share.
Do you remember when a large volume of daily news wasn't easily mistaken for satire?
Pepperidge Farms remembers...
I had to check 3 more times to make sure you were serious...er kidding.
Vidmaster7 |
Hey don't they know There are no wolfs on Fenris!
No seriously those are the mutated furs on other marines who became wolf like creatures after the warp transformed them. so technically they are not real wolf furs. Their furry people furs. soo is it cool to wear mutated people fur? also I'm quite sure there is much worse things they've done in 40k I mean they glass planets that probably kills quite a few animal in the process I would imagine.
John Napier 698 |
Hey don't they know There are no wolfs on Fenris!
No seriously those are the mutated furs on other marines who became wolf like creatures after the warp transformed them. so technically they are not real wolf furs. Their furry people furs. soo is it cool to wear mutated people fur? also I'm quite sure there is much worse things they've done in 40k I mean they glass planets that probably kills quite a few animal in the process I would imagine.
Really, though. Some places could use a good "glassing."
Vidmaster7 |
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I mean don't get me wrong I'm all about them fighting Against animal cruelty. Have nothing against a vegan lifestyle and see no need to wear furs in our current world, but choose your battles deal with real animal cruelty not science fantasy super soldiers from 38 thousand years in the future. There is still real actual animal cruelty going on not make-believe.
Quiche Lisp |
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Say what you will about PETA, but I couldn't help notice that their letter to Games Workshop was respectful, and made their case with rational - if debatable - arguments.
To wit: they didn't try to paint Game Workshop as amoral, and dissolute backwards thinking perverts.
I can't help but to find that refreshing in those times.
EDIT: removed part tangential to the main argument.
MMCJawa |
I largely agree with PETA's goals, but find many of their methods just... weird. And likely ineffective. Kinda like Sea Shepherd.
As a scientist and someone who knows a bit about marine mammals, Sea Shepherd is pretty much useless. The money invested in sabotaging Japanese whalers (who for the most part are going after minke whales, which are not in danger of extinction) could actually be invested towards helping animals that are actually in danger of extinction.
BigNorseWolf |
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CBDunkerson wrote:I largely agree with PETA's goals, but find many of their methods just... weird. And likely ineffective. Kinda like Sea Shepherd.As a scientist and someone who knows a bit about marine mammals, Sea Shepherd is pretty much useless. The money invested in sabotaging Japanese whalers (who for the most part are going after minke whales, which are not in danger of extinction) could actually be invested towards helping animals that are actually in danger of extinction.
The point of saving whales is that whales are valuable because they are thinking, sentient life. Not because they were born a member of a species that is or is not endangered. If you could measure life solely on its abundance human life would have a negative value.
CBDunkerson |
Sea Shepherd also does a lot more than harass Japanese whalers. They're active all over the world with conservation of numerous marine species. The whales are just their highest profile cause. The also oppose tuna poaching, dolphin culls, shark finning, drift nets, et cetera.
They'd just be a lot more effective if they spent less time on stunts. Ditto PETA.
BigNorseWolf |
Sea Shepherd also does a lot more than harass Japanese whalers. They're active all over the world with conservation of numerous marine species. The whales are just their highest profile cause. The also oppose tuna poaching, dolphin culls, shark finning, drift nets, et cetera.
They'd just be a lot more effective if they spent less time on stunts. Ditto PETA.
Would you have heard of them at all if not for the stunts?
CBDunkerson |
Would you have heard of them at all if not for the stunts?
Given that I've heard of their less publicized / less stunt driven work? Yes.
For example, I've read articles on their work with local governments in the Galapagos to fight poaching.
They might get less donation money without the stunts... but they'd also burn through a lot less of it.
MMCJawa |
MMCJawa wrote:CBDunkerson wrote:I largely agree with PETA's goals, but find many of their methods just... weird. And likely ineffective. Kinda like Sea Shepherd.As a scientist and someone who knows a bit about marine mammals, Sea Shepherd is pretty much useless. The money invested in sabotaging Japanese whalers (who for the most part are going after minke whales, which are not in danger of extinction) could actually be invested towards helping animals that are actually in danger of extinction.The point of saving whales is that whales are valuable because they are thinking, sentient life. Not because they were born a member of a species that is or is not endangered. If you could measure life solely on its abundance human life would have a negative value.
The point isn't that whales of all types are not worth saving, it's that their are only finite resources available for conservation, and every time a celebrity donates a million dollars for them to harass some whaling ship in the Southern Ocean, that's a million dollars that is not being spent on helping out more imperiled ecosystems elsewhere in the world. There are entire species slipping away into oblivion every year, many of which could be saved if some effort was put into reinforcing existing anti-logging/similar rules, investment of captive breeding programs, and local community support. It's hard for me to cheer Sea Shepard on when entire ecosystems and faunas in Brazil, The Philippines, Hawaii, and Madagascar are teetering on the brink of collapse.
BigNorseWolf |
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The point isn't that whales of all types are not worth saving, it's that their are only finite resources available for conservation, and every time a celebrity donates a million dollars for them to harass some whaling ship in the Southern Ocean, that's a million dollars that is not being spent on helping out more imperiled ecosystems elsewhere in the world.
But if it weren't for the highly visible and easy to understand flashy tactics of(literal) showboating, would that million dollars be going towards anything but another car or private jet?
There are entire species slipping away into oblivion every year, many of which could be saved if some effort was put into reinforcing existing anti-logging/similar rules, investment of captive breeding programs, and local community support. It's hard for me to cheer Sea Shepard on when entire ecosystems and faunas in Brazil, The Philippines, Hawaii, and Madagascar are teetering on the brink of collapse.
Those are billion dollar problems, at a minimum. Even then it's a billion dollars to bribe a local government into acting better...