IDK the folks I know who voted for Trump dont give a f. They know he is a monster and dont care. Its why they voted for him. Whether it was to "shake things up with an outsider" or simply they were tired of "all this PC business" they wanted the Donald. When things started going pear shaped they just tuned out.
Makes sense.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
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Today's tone deaf award goes to: GOP state representative calling for Confederate monument opponents to be "lynched"
Also, in good news for the 'future of the Democratic party', the Supreme Court again struck down racial discrimination in redistricting.
Two districts were blocked, one 8-0 and one 5-3... with Clarence Thomas (!) joining the four liberals.
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The future is looking quite progressive
Christine Pellegrino and
Edie DesMarais flipping Republican seats yesterday
Not sure what to make of this event:
It appears that the GOP candidate in Montana just got physical with a British reporter and pushed him down and broke his glasses.
Not a good look for the Republicans in a close race (the election is tomorrow).
I've heard a number of people after being body slammed, they do NOT sound like the guy on the tape. If you can clearly say "you just body slammed me" without even being out of breath, you were not body slammed.
It's fortunate that the entire thing was caught on tape. The candidate's press release is totally at odds with the actual tape.
And the broken glasses are pretty obvious too.
For all those claiming the close races in deep red country didn't mean anything and only actual victories counted, here you go.The future is looking quite progressive
Christine Pellegrino and
Edie DesMarais flipping Republican seats yesterday
As someone who works in Nassau county I have trouble considering it "Deep Red". Hillary IIRC led by something like ~20 points in this assembly district. I would be more impressed if it was Suffolk county, which does sadly tend to go Republican more often than not.
Still a good thing, don't get me wrong.
As someone who works in Nassau county I have trouble considering it "Deep Red". Hillary IIRC led by something like ~20 points in this assembly district. I would be more impressed if it was Suffolk county, which does sadly tend to go Republican more often than not.
Still a good thing, don't get me wrong.
Well, it appears that Trump won that area by 23 points
Trump did not just win New York’s 9th District in November. He swept it, with a 23 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. In the same election, the veteran Republican legislator who held the seat was reelected with a 37 point lead over his Democratic challenger. The incumbent later stepped down, forcing the special election. Democratic leaders had been looking a more predictable candidate, but Pellegrino and her backers elbowed their way into the fight.
There was a
Fox News tv team in the room when the incident happened. Let's see how long that story stays up.
The incident may not have much impact. Apparently, about a third of the ballots have already been returned in early voting.
Here's their story, as it's currently posted on their website.
Fox News
The race to fill Montana's sole seat in the U.S. House of Representatives took a violent turn Wednesday, and a crew from the Fox News Channel, including myself, witnessed it firsthand.
As part of our preparation for a story about Thursday's special election to air on "Special Report with Bret Baier," we arranged interviews with the top two candidates, Republican Greg Gianforte and Democrat Rob Quist. On Wednesday, I joined field producer Faith Mangan and photographer Keith Railey in Bozeman for our scheduled interview with Gianforte, which was to take place at the Gianforte for Congress Bozeman Headquarters.
Faith, Keith and I arrived early to set up for the interview in a room adjacent to another room where a volunteer BBQ was to take place. As the time for the interview neared, Gianforte came into the room. We exchanged pleasantries and made small talk about restaurants and Bozeman.
During that conversation, another man — who we now know is Ben Jacobs of The Guardian — walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianforte's face and began asking if him if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act. Gianforte told him he would get to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.
At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, "I'm sick and tired of this!"
Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken. He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names. In shock, we did not answer. Jacobs then said he wanted the police called and went to leave. Gianforte looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized. At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who was now present, that we needed a moment. The men then left.
Greg Gianforte just body slammed me and broke my glasses
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) May 24, 2017
To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte, who left the area after giving statements to local sheriff's deputies.
As for myself and my crew, we are cooperating with local authorities. It is not clear if charges will be filed against Gianforte at this time.
I was having a hard time envisioning Wolfeboro, NH as a "working class town" as described by the NH Dem Party Chair in the link above, but I looked it up and, apparently, the year-long residents only have a median household income in the $40k range.
During the summer, though...well, here's an article about the international elites who have historically vacationed in Wolfeboro...starting with Chiang Kai-shek?!?
(Synergistic weirdiosity: I've been reading about Chiang Kai-shek recently.)
Wolfeboro, NH Through Different Eyes
EDIT: No box stores, $5 million homes and a private high school that costs $57k a year? Sounds working class to me.
I was having a hard time envisioning Wolfeboro, NH as a "working class town" as described by the NH Dem Party Chair in the link above, but I looked it up and, apparently, the year-long residents only have a median household income in the $40k range.
During the summer, though...well, here's an article about the international elites who have historically vacationed in Wolfeboro...starting with Chiang Kai-shek?!?
(Synergistic weirdiosity: I've been reading about Chiang Kai-shek recently.)
Wolfeboro, NH Through Different Eyes
EDIT: No box stores, $5 million homes and a private high school that costs $57k a year? Sounds working class to me.
~shakes my head~ That is not working class. That is rich people.
Meanwhile, we're probably going to hear a few more complaints from the Democratic party, since the Trump Organization says it's not practical for it to comply with the Constitution and hasn't asked Congress to permit an alternate arrangement.
...
Not gonna lie, I bet someone's already trying to figure out if they can file a lawsuit on this one...
Meanwhile, we're probably going to hear a few more complaints from the Democratic party, since the Trump Organization says it's not practical for it to comply with the Constitution and hasn't asked Congress to permit an alternate arrangement.
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Not gonna lie, I bet someone's already trying to figure out if they can file a lawsuit on this one...
well, they busted capone for tax evasion...
~shakes my head~ That is not working class. That is rich people.I was having a hard time envisioning Wolfeboro, NH as a "working class town" as described by the NH Dem Party Chair in the link above, but I looked it up and, apparently, the year-long residents only have a median household income in the $40k range.
During the summer, though...well, here's an article about the international elites who have historically vacationed in Wolfeboro...starting with Chiang Kai-shek?!?
(Synergistic weirdiosity: I've been reading about Chiang Kai-shek recently.)
Wolfeboro, NH Through Different Eyes
EDIT: No box stores, $5 million homes and a private high school that costs $57k a year? Sounds working class to me.
That's one neighborhood and it's a place for country homes, not permanent residents.
Much like that high school is for elite boarding students, not the local kids.
I haven't been to Wolfeboro in about 25 years, but when I was there i found it to be a rather typical working class New England Town with a lot of summer tourism because of its location on the shore of Lake Winnipesaukee.
Doodles, you live in New Hampshire. How can it possibly be even slightly remarkable to you that a New England town has a year round working class population with a seasonal influx of tourists, some of whom purchase summer homes?
It isn't. I found it remarkable that a town I consider a summer playground for the international elite was described as "working class" by the state Dem Chair. Then I went and looked it up. It's all there in the original post.
Still not sure I believe it. I mean, every watering hole for the bourgeoisie needs its proles to serve them drinks and clean their boats.
EDIT: The town's wikipedia page has a median household income, as of 2000, at $42.853. The page "New Hampshire communities by household income" based on a more recent survey (2010-2014) has it at $62,200.
I'm sticking with my gut instinct that Buckley massaged the truth on that one.
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Republicans were going to have a hard time staying in control even if all of Trump's supporters stuck with him. With his 'strong support' down ~33% they are facing a potential 'wave' election next year.
From what I've read, most Trump supporters are still largely unfazed by all the evidence of corruption... they just dismiss it as 'media bias'. Instead, the big thing pushing down his numbers has been the GOP health care bill. When the same media points out that Trump's plan will likely kill some of their friends and family it suddenly manages to get past the 'reality denial filter'.
This kind of thing always makes me angry. At some level they bloody well know what the truth is... but they only let themselves 'believe' it when they can clearly see how it will hurt them. If they think it will only hurt 'those other people' then they're just fine pretending it doesn't exist.
This looks interesting:
Brand New Congress
While I don't think platforms are a substitute for actions, I like their stances on most issues.
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We had a three-way debate with a representative from BNC last...summer, I think it was? Us, the BNC, and someone from the Greens.
It was billed as a "debate" but everyone pretty much agreed on what was wrong, just not what to do about it. The BNC guy distinguished himself from the rest of the room by saying that people should even run on that platform in Republican primaries in deep red areas and that the "progressive left" needed to seek common ground, where possible, with the Libertarians.
At least, that was his opinion. I don't know if it is reflective of the organization as a whole. "Progressive lefts should seek common ground, where possible, with the Libertarians" is a perennial theme here in New Hampshire. It turned our Occupy into a real clusterf#+@, what with long, tedious debates about whether or not we supported unions, e.g. I don't think the BNC speaker was in New Hampshire when Occupy went down, or else he probably wouldn't have said that.
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It turned our Occupy into a real clusterf$#&, what with long, tedious debates about whether or not we supported unions
Not surprising... unions are inherently a mixed bag.
Logically, I think they are an inefficient methodology... essentially setting up multiple 'sub-governments' to protect workers in each different 'industry' separately... rather than getting the existing 'national union' (aka the federal government) to do so universally.
That said, in practice there was a time between the New Deal and Reagan (and also instances in the prior century) where 'conservatives' were effectively blocking the federal government from making improvements, but hadn't yet succeeded in hamstringing unions.
Thus, whether it makes sense to support unions or not IMO comes down to how likely federal improvements to labor laws are and whether there is a plausible case that unions could do better. With the steady erosion of union power over the past ~40 years it doesn't seem to me that they will be able to accomplish anything significant until/unless the federal government can be made to change the rules... at which point they could just fix many problems directly rather than re-empowering unions to do so.
This looks interesting:
Brand New CongressWhile I don't think platforms are a substitute for actions, I like their stances on most issues.
The platform gives goals upon which to take action. I do like what I'm reading so far.
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Democrats Are Turning to the Absolute Worst Person for Help Winning the 2018 Election
The future, in a presidential election, a statewide election, or a congressional, is in the suburbs, where more moderate voters exist...I purposely recruited candidates who reflected the temperament, tenor and culture of their district. I didn’t try to elect somebody that fit my image. I tried to help elect somebody that fit the image and the profile of the district.
I kind of knew this was the direction things were going - Democrats as moderate Republicans...
That has a great track record so far.
The platform gives goals upon which to take action. I do like what I'm reading so far.
The platform looks like someone read my posts and reprinted them, but with only a quarter-million supporters listed, I'm not seeing them sweeping elections or anything -- or, indeed, being more of a tiny blip than the Green Party.
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The future is looking quite progressive
Christine Pellegrino... flipping Republican seats yesterday
Looks like Pellegrino is a Working Families Party candidate who overcame initial resistance from the Democrats.
In March, the Democrats were set to nominate another candidate, led by Suffolk Democratic chairman Richard Schaffer. The Working Families Party saw Christine Pellegrino as an inspiring progressive leader who could win, and endorsed her — and successfully pushed the local Democrats to follow suit. (Schaffer declined to support Pellegrino.)
With the nomination secure, New York State United Teachers union members, activists inspired by Bernie Sanders, Nassau County Democrats and progressives of all stripes across Long Island poured into the district to volunteer. The Working Families Party embedded staff on the campaign and helped lead the charge to Pellegrino’s victory tonight.[/url]
Sounds like this is an example of the Democrats getting behind a real progressive candidate instead of the establishment, and getting a solid win.
At least, that was his opinion. I don't know if it is reflective of the organization as a whole. "Progressive lefts should seek common ground, where possible, with the Libertarians" is a perennial theme here in New Hampshire. It turned our Occupy into a real clusterf&&@, what with long, tedious debates about whether or not we supported unions, e.g. I don't think the BNC speaker was in New Hampshire when Occupy went down, or else he probably wouldn't have said that.
Bleh. There are like only a very tiny number of issues IMHO Libertarians and progressives generally share in common. I just can't see that marriage working out well in the long run.
The platform looks like someone read my posts and reprinted them, but with only a quarter-million supporters listed, I'm not seeing them sweeping elections or anything -- or, indeed, being more of a tiny blip than the Green Party.
I'm still figuring this out myself, but it looks like BNC is not a Party, but rather a Political Action Commitee (PAC).
Brand New Congress plans to announce 50 candidates by March 2017 and over 400 by July 2017.[8][11] Of the 535 total seats in the United States Congress (House and Senate), 468 will be up for reelection in 2018. The group intends to run both Democratic and Tea Party Republican candidates,[12] depending on regional demographics, as well as independents when an incumbent wins the primary. Brand New Congress requires candidates to align on Bernie Sander’s presidential platform, regardless of party affiliation. While there are large differences in Republican and Democratic policy beliefs, the Brand New Congress hopes that people will unify under the goal of reforming Congress.
[bold added by Fergie]
It seems like they will be endorsing candidates from other parties, rather then being a party themselves. I doubt there will be many Republicans embracing the BNC platform anytime soon, but politics are getting weirder by the day, so who knows what the landscape will look like in 2018/2020.[Note: I think that candidates can run under multiple parties at the same time. For example, in NY, I can vote for Bob the Candidate of the Democratic Party, or Bob the Candidate of the Working Families Party.]
It turned our Occupy into a real clusterf$#&, what with long, tedious debates about whether or not we supported unionsNot surprising... unions are inherently a mixed bag.
It was, of course, only the Libertarians who voiced anti-union sentiment within Occupy NH.
Make of that what you will.
Bleh. There are like only a very tiny number of issues IMHO Libertarians and progressives generally share in common. I just can't see that marriage working out well in the long run.
At least, that was his opinion. I don't know if it is reflective of the organization as a whole. "Progressive lefts should seek common ground, where possible, with the Libertarians" is a perennial theme here in New Hampshire. It turned our Occupy into a real clusterf&&@, what with long, tedious debates about whether or not we supported unions, e.g. I don't think the BNC speaker was in New Hampshire when Occupy went down, or else he probably wouldn't have said that.
In the case of Occupy NH, it didn't even work out well in the short run.
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[Note: I think that candidates can run under multiple parties at the same time. For example, in NY, I can vote for Bob the Candidate of the Democratic Party, or Bob the Candidate of the Working Families Party.]
I think New York's got something special called fusion voting, but I'm not clear on the details.
EDIT: Interesting random bit of wikihistory:
Electoral fusion--United States
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Democrats Are Turning to the Absolute Worst Person for Help Winning the 2018 Election
The future, in a presidential election, a statewide election, or a congressional, is in the suburbs, where more moderate voters exist...I purposely recruited candidates who reflected the temperament, tenor and culture of their district. I didn’t try to elect somebody that fit my image. I tried to help elect somebody that fit the image and the profile of the district.I kind of knew this was the direction things were going - Democrats as moderate Republicans...
That has a great track record so far.
Saw that one floating around, but hadn't read it yet. Favoriting for the Rahm hate.
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Interesting thread, with a lot of interesting points of view. The only thing that I'll add is a bit of historical perspective.
The ONLY modern presidential candidate to succeed a two-term president from his own party is George H. W. Bush.
Fact is, the whole "third term" thing is exceedingly rare in modern times (post-FDR / Truman).
There were a lot of mistakes in the 2016 Democratic campaign, as there are a lot of mistakes in every campaign, but perhaps the biggest strike against Democrats last year is that they were swimming against the tide of history.
Obamacare rate increases in late October 2016 didn't help much, either.
My take, for whatever it's worth. That may not be much, but it's still my take. :)
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I guess if this goes anywhere
Brand New Congress plans to announce 50 candidates by March 2017 and over 400 by July 2017.[8][11] Of the 535 total seats in the United States Congress (House and Senate), 468 will be up for reelection in 2018.
Yeah, it doesn't look like they came close to hitting their goals. (Not that I'm in any position to look on down on people for being small.)
That the BNC plans to run Tea Party Republicans pretty much crosses them off my list
That struck me as curious, too. I chased down the citation. It's credited to an article called "The Future of Bernie Sanders's Grassroots Army" by D.D. Guttenplan in The Nation.
Oddly, there is no such article. There is an article of that tile by Clare Foran in The Atlantic, but the article by Guttenplan in The Nation is called What's Next for Bernie Sanders's Grass Roots Army.
The latter profiles, among others, both BNC and the WFP, but the only mention of the Tea Party that I can find with a cursory ctrl-f is:
Or as Waleed Shahid, a talented young organizer I met on the Sanders campaign in Philadelphia, put it: “The biggest lesson to be learned from the Tea Party’s playbook is that they don’t work for the Republicans ; they make the Republicans work for them.”
But I admit I haven't read it thoroughly yet.
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... That the BNC plans to run Tea Party Republicans pretty much crosses them off my list. That they think they'll be able find Tea Partiers who align with Sanders' platform also kind of boggles my mind. ...
Yeah, that one got the raised eyebrow from me as well. Most likely, it is just an error on the wikipedia page as Doodlebug's research indicates.
My guess: Brand New Congress is making a symbolic gesture, and has little actual expectation it will happen. After all, there is this little line as well:
Brand New Congress requires candidates to align on Bernie Sander’s presidential platform, regardless of party affiliation.
I think that is like saying, we welcome all faiths, as long as they accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster as their one true Lord an Savior.
EDIT: OK found a listing on their FAQ page that answers the question, and some other interesting stuff.
Yes, we will challenge incumbents in their party primaries, running Republicans in districts where only Republicans can win, and Democrats where only Democrats win. Wherever we lose the primary, we will run an independent for a second chance at winning the seat. But we will work out this strategy on a case by case basis. In some districts we might skip the primary and only run an independent in the general election.
Brand New Congress is not bi-partisan or non-partisan -- we're "post-partisan." The two major parties in America have disintegrated into weak, sprawling sets of local and state organizations that don't know what they stand for. They are still relevant in one important way: they represent vague cultural brands that are important to something like two thirds of American voters—with Democrats representing a "secular liberal" culture for some and Republicans representing a "conservative Christian" culture for others.
The irony is that the core of liberal and Christian values are the same—at least in their ideals: Both cultures believe that they value human life, equality, freedom, peace, justice and progress. Those are not liberal or conservative values, they are American values. The problem is that each of the two of these cultures believes the other stands for the opposite of those stated values.
And here's another thing we believe - Republicans, Democrats, and Independents are all angry about the long-term decline of the American economy and are dying to do something about it. The BNC platform is not about passing some regulations or taxes, but about taking action over a limited period of time to hit the reset button on America's economy. That is something everyone can get behind.
We also just saw from the election in 2016 that conservatives and liberals alike are just as fed up with corruption as everyone else and ready to do something about it. Our goal in deep red and deep blue districts is the same - find candidates from among those who have had enough and are ready to fight back.
The fact is that both Republican and Democratic establishments are equally as opposed to taking big steps to fix our economy and right the wrongs of our out of control criminal justice system. And among Republican, Democratic and Independent voters, there is an invisible majority waiting to be united around radical and practical solutions.
Another guess: This stuff is evolving rapidly, and I would expect BNC to change over the next year based on impeachment, zombie plague outbreak in DC, Red Dawn II, dissolution of Supreme Court, etc.
Democrats Are Turning to the Absolute Worst Person for Help Winning the 2018 Election
The future, in a presidential election, a statewide election, or a congressional, is in the suburbs, where more moderate voters exist...I purposely recruited candidates who reflected the temperament, tenor and culture of their district. I didn’t try to elect somebody that fit my image. I tried to help elect somebody that fit the image and the profile of the district.I kind of knew this was the direction things were going - Democrats as moderate Republicans...
That has a great track record so far.
In a moderate or conservative district, would you rather:
a) run a progressive candidate who isn't competitive
b) run a more moderate candidate who is competitive
c) not run a candidate
I get why you find this disagreeable, because he's talking about intentionally running not-so-progressive candidates. My rebuttal, is that you seem to be ignoring the very real situation where significant groups of people don't vote for democrats and being more progressive might actually make democrats LESS electable. I don't think we should drift the entire party to the right, but if you want to shift the COUNTRY to the left, you have to bring them with, not leave them behind. If you aren't interested in shifting the country left, I've got bad news for your progressive agenda.
Should progressive politicians and voters write those districts off?
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Apparently, folks in Montana have mixed feelings about the First Amendment.
Whitefish local Dan Cumerford explains that while he doesn’t have the full story he believes that reporters in general are intrusive when interviewing. He tells us this incident between Gianforte and Jacobs might change how reporters act during interviews in the future.
and Cumerford says, “Perhaps reporters will respect the people they’re interviewing, if this happened every now and again. They think they can get away with whatever they want, go where they want, trespass where they want, do whatever they want. And nothing will happen to them. They have to realize that things may happen to them.”
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Sladek explains, “Reporters tend to be pushy and no matter what anyone asks of them sometimes they get too much in a person’s face.”
Mr. Sladek continues, “I’m sure it wasn’t right for Gianforte to knock someone down or to slam them against the wall, but that’s not the whole story.”
All the people quoted said that the altercation did not change how they voted.
Hmm... that's from a Fox affiliate? And they're perfectly capable of choosing which people they want to quote, of course.
I think the final vote tallies matter a bit more than selected interviewees. There's still plenty left to be counted, of course, but it looks like (as of this writing) Quist is slightly ahead with 47.3%, while Gianforte is 46.9%.
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~shakes my head with an amused look on my face~ Oh my.
When I first read the story I thought "really big deal" Trump simply brushed passed the guy. Then I saw the video and Trump pushes him out of the way like a piece of trash. Real class act we got for a prez. Wish the dems could capitalize on his boorish behavior but everytime the guy goes into the sewer he comes up with a gold watch in each hand. /shrug
There's still plenty left to be counted, of course, but it looks like (as of this writing) Quist is slightly ahead with 47.3%, while Gianforte is 46.9%.
So far all data are pointing to Gianaforte by a small (but not close) margin. Those early precincts are ones Quist is expected to take. So he's not really ahead.
In fact, sometimes if you don't win "your" precincts by a big enough margin, it's an indication that you're losing, even if the raw numbers have you ahead.
At this point, the incident does not seem to have affected any predictions. Quist would have had to have shown an unexpected upvote and that's not happening.
It doesn't help that there was a lot of early voting, and people were not allowed to change their ballots even if they called and asked to.
Democrats Are Turning to the Absolute Worst Person for Help Winning the 2018 Election
The future, in a presidential election, a statewide election, or a congressional, is in the suburbs, where more moderate voters exist...I purposely recruited candidates who reflected the temperament, tenor and culture of their district. I didn’t try to elect somebody that fit my image. I tried to help elect somebody that fit the image and the profile of the district.I kind of knew this was the direction things were going - Democrats as moderate Republicans...
That has a great track record so far.
In a moderate or conservative district, would you rather:
a) run a progressive candidate who isn't competitive
b) run a more moderate candidate who is competitive
c) not run a candidateI get why you find this disagreeable, because he's talking about intentionally running not-so-progressive candidates. My rebuttal, is that you seem to be ignoring the very real situation where significant groups of people don't vote for democrats and being more progressive might actually make democrats LESS electable. I don't think we should drift the entire party to the right, but if you want to shift the COUNTRY to the left, you have to bring them with, not leave them behind. If you aren't interested in shifting the country left, I've got bad news for your progressive agenda.
Should progressive politicians and voters write those districts off?
Bernie Sanders is the white male progressive's candidate, but we should listen to what Rahm "Liberals are f$#&ing retarded--oh, and I covered up the killing of Laquan MacDonald for 400 days so I could get reelected" Emanuel has to say?
I must admit that I, for one, don't understand at all where you "identity politics" Democrats are coming from.
Montana Special Election takeaways
So not exactly a surprise that the Republican candidate won in a state like Montana, but at least Dems are closing the gap. We really need to see an election in a purple state to really get a handle on how things are going to turn out overall, which won't happen until 2018 I guess?
It does show however that as much as Dems and people who lean that way might want to believe, most of the current political scandal and mess with Trump just isn't at all percolating into right-leaning voters. Gianaforte was protrump through his entire campaign and it seemed to have no impact at all. At best we won't see that until 2020. I don't think they really care about Russia or any of these daily scandals. They need to be directly affected, which won't happen until until GOP policies get signed into law.