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I voted, my wife voted, so did my Mom. Sadly way too many people didn't vote.


~looks up~ Are we enacting the FAWTL rule of the top of the page poster is naked?


Oh well. ~prances around in the buff~


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Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.

At a guess, roughly a third. People who are politically aware and active enough to protest are generally but not universally politically aware and active enough to vote.

I suspect, however, that a non-trivial contingent specifically and deliberately refused to vote as a protest against HC's campaign, because, in their minds, she was identical to Trump. And, as MMCJawa pointed out, that should be grounds for personal regret.


I admit that I was NOT happy about voting for Hillary. I would have preferred Bernie. But IMHO she was better than this.


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"Same as Trump" probably wasn't as big of a deal to those folks as the DNC working with Hillary against Bernie Sanders.
But, I'm sure there's some regret there regardless.


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rkotitan wrote:

Thoughts on this article? I know it sounds alarmist and maybe a bit reaching but it does paint a very grim picture... that sound believable no matter how much I want to disbelieve.

Trial Balloon for a Coup?

Alarmist nonsense. This isn't the installation of a shadow government, it is simply Trump's standard tactic of asking for the moon and stars and then appearing to "settle" for "merely" the moon.

That's actually a fairly standard negotiating tactic. If you fear that X will be taken as an unreasonable position, then walk into the room demanding Y, something that goes so far beyond X that, by comparison, X looks normal. Then, you can reluctantly "concede" and negotiate back to the position that you would never have been given in the first place.


Orfamay Quest wrote:
rkotitan wrote:

Thoughts on this article? I know it sounds alarmist and maybe a bit reaching but it does paint a very grim picture... that sound believable no matter how much I want to disbelieve.

Trial Balloon for a Coup?

Alarmist nonsense. This isn't the installation of a shadow government, it is simply Trump's standard tactic of asking for the moon and stars and then appearing to "settle" for "merely" the moon.

That's actually a fairly standard negotiating tactic. If you fear that X will be taken as an unreasonable position, then walk into the room demanding Y, something that goes so far beyond X that, by comparison, X looks normal. Then, you can reluctantly "concede" and negotiate back to the position that you would never have been given in the first place.

Exactly it's like when I was offered a new position at one of the companies I previously worked for, my boss told me to ask for the new pay to be decently above what I really wanted to make it easier to get the number I wanted.


Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.

hmm. Me too.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.

It does bear repeating that she DID win the popular vote by almost 3 million, despite having run a fairly mediocre campaign, having apparently learned nothing from her loss at Obama's hands, nor did the Democrats get the wakeup call from Brexit.

The real problem was that she took the Rust Belt states for granted... and Trump did not. He broke the famous Blue Wall, and that was all he needed to do.

Given the demographics of the protestors, I'd say that most of them did... but given the Electoral College system, their vote was pretty much rendered irrelevant by what I noted above.


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The really scary part is trying to figure out which plot the Muslim ban is supposed to hide? Or is it just the test balloon to see who will follow along on the real coup?

Because I can not see any rational political objective behind this move and thats what really scares the hell out of me...and don't tell me Trump and Bannon are simple minded thugs merely catering to their clientèle. Underestimating the enemy is never a good thing...

Trump is only concerned with business and with money. He believes that America, despite being the richest and most powerful country on Earth, is far behind its potential and it could have a lot more money, which can trickle down to the masses and they can throw ticker tape parades for him forever. So his primary concern will be with neutralising any economic advantage other countries have over the USA - most notably China - and neutralising those countries he believes are benefiting from a perceived American weakness, such as Mexico. There will be other countries he wants to maintain good relations with, because of familial ties or because they are pulling their weight as allies - Britain, then maybe Japan and Australia, and Taiwan as part of his leveraging against China, and Israel (although that may not last line if his allies have their way) - but other countries will be regarded with suspicion, even long-term allies (already done with Germany and France, possibly to come with Canada if Trudeau maintains his criticism), if they do not tow the line.

Trump also has an innate and somewhat irrational fear of Islamic terrorism, possibly because he saw what they did in New York on 9/11 and knows that a plane could have been flown into Trump Tower as well. I really don't think he appreciates the degree to which Al-Qaeda and its successor, ISIS, have been degraded and the fact that ISIS is teetering on the edge of collapse in Iraq (and not that far off in Syria). He knows that a lot of his voter base also have no clue - screaming about the threat of ISIS but not known what or where Mosul is or the significance of the impending recapture of that city - and are working off perception rather than reality.

Trump also does not give a flying toss, really, about African American issues, Jewish issues, LGBTQ issues, gay marriage or abortion. He's a lifelong New Yorker who has enormous numbers of African America, Jewish and LGBTQ business partners, employees and assistants. He's also avoided confirming or denying that he's paid for abortions in the past. These are non-issues to him. However, he's not particularly wedded to them or in favour of them either.

To win power, Trump has formed an alliance with evangelicals through Mike Pence, a canny choice that made up for his own rather obvious shortcomings in that area, and an alliance with the hard and alt-right through Steve Bannon, whose PR and media skills (assisted or not by Russia) he credits with helping him win power, as well as winning over a subset of America with his promises on the economy and jobs, which they believe him on because he's probably the only big businesssman they've ever heard of because he used to be on TV every week. As a businessman Trump knows he has to reward those who helped him, as agreed, and he is giving Pence and Bannon a huge amount of power and freedom to formulate policy, possibly not unprecedented for the Vice-President but certainly for an unelected advisor.

The next phase was probably going to be a move against the LGBTQ community, probably starting by confirming that transphobic laws and rules remain valid. This is a good starting point from Team Trump's POV because there was already a nationwide discussion going on from the bathroom ban situation and it'd be relatively low-hanging fruit to put that rule in place (also, it'd be specifically transphobic rather than anti-LGBTQ in general: divide and conquer). That would be followed by allowing anti-gay discrimination on religious grounds, again as that was a discussion already in progress. I suspect Trump is less inclined to outlaw gay marriage because he knows that would be a supreme court battle and it'd spark massive protests and international condemnation, and he really doesn't care about it (as much as Pence might). Today's move - reaffirming that the 2014 rules on outlawing LGBTQ discrimination for federal institutions and contractors is in place - suggests that either Trump is rolling back on that or he is kicking it into the long grass and will revisit it later on.

Bannon I suspect will be wanting to put more anti-semitic and anti-African American laws in place, the latter probably starting under the cover of dealing with "the Chicago crisis". I suspect the opening moves there would be moving to prevent the legal sale of firearms to people from Chicago in other states and at some point would escalate to the national guard being sent in to troublesome neighbourhoods, and the resulting BLM blowback would be dismissed as support for criminals and potential terrorists. Trump, I believe, will not be inclined to engage with any kind of anti-semitic law-making because that would start a major, major internal crisis and he also wants Israel on-side in case he does decide to take military action against Iran.

I suspect that Trump may now double down on trade and the economy, his more natural areas of interest, and we may see further moves against Mexico and China. I wonder if Trump even will now consider extending the travel ban as an "economic protection clause" to those countries (which would have a devastating impact on the USA's relationship with China and may be simply unworkable with Mexico).

Right now he's making some announcement that Americans pay too much for their drugs and other countries get much better deals, but rather than telling big pharma to start cutting prices for Americans he's instead saying that other countries will need to start paying more. Weird.


Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.

A fairly small percentage, most likely. Probably as Orfamay Quest suggests mostly leftists and/or Bernie supporters thinking the Dems and Clinton in particular weren't pure enough for them. And probably thinking she had it wrapped up. There are probably also some Trump voters who didn't expect what they got - not many of those to the protesting point yet, I'd guess.

But really, the numbers that protested are far below the number of voters. No reason to think the vast majority didn't vote.


Werthead wrote:
Right now he's making some announcement that Americans pay too much for their drugs and other countries get much better deals, but rather than telling big pharma to start cutting prices for Americans he's instead saying that other countries will need to start paying more. Weird..

Not weird at all... if you look at it with an economic eye. The Progressive move would have been to allow Medicare to shop for competitive drug prices... something it is not allowed to do today, thanks to Pharma-friendly restrictions put on it by Congress.

Trump could have gone a progressive route to save Americans money. Instead knowing where his support comes from, he went the route to increase corporate profits by trying to extort Europe and Canada to pay more. (Like they're going to go for that!)

What Trump seems to forget is that foreign countries generally are using foreign-sourced drugs... not the higher priced American ones. He seems to impugn that foreigners are getting bargain rates on high-priced American drugs... which is not the case at all.


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Yup. There's no way the UK NHS would even start to countenance the prices demanded by American big pharma companies from American companies. We either negotiate better deals or go overseas.

Meanwhile, Trump Vineyards is requesting Labour Department approval to hire foreign workers, because I'm guessing irony.


Much of it is simply that Trump is incompetent. He's good at manipulating people but has little idea how government or the economy works. And little interest. Even less ability or interest in listening to any advice from experts, unless they're good at manipulating him.


thejeff wrote:
As for hurting them - impeachment is a political issue, not really a legal one. The only way impeachment happens is if public opinion turns against Trump enough that Republican Congresscritters feel they need to take him down in self-preservation. Every bit of craziness and every public outcry can be a step towards that.

I'm not sure I would prefer President Pence over Trump to be honest. He'll be less aggressive about the very same policies Trump is promoting but support them all the same.

Both parties offered terrible candidates as choices in this election consider how low both Trump and Hillary approval ratings were, frighteningly historically low.

US has been a Facist nation for some time. I don't know if it is really getting worse or Trump is just more in the publics' face about it though this 90 day ban is a turn for the worse to be sure. Bush and Obama's use of the Executive Order has really pushed the Executive Branch too far out of balance with the balance of powers that is supposed to keep functioning government intact.

What should REALLY frighten people is the fact that Obama supported the NDAA and its detention of US citizens for providing "material support" for terrorists. When he signed the bill into law he stated (I paraphrase) " it's ok for it to be there because I believe I can already do it and I'll never use it". That's a slippery slope that this new Administration could use as a club to disappear people with no Due Process. Is opposing a travel ban from "potential terrorists" providing them "material support"? Let's hope it's not interpreted that way.

Then before Obama left office he signed the "Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act". That one is a real doozy too...

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Freehold DM wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.
hmm. Me too.

Probably a good amount, but also keep in mind:

-This was the first presidential election after the recent gutting of legal protections in the voting rights act, allowing conservative states to suppress the votes of those who the law was originally designed to protect.
-There are other legal ways to prevent people from voting - for instance, those convicted of felonies do not have the right to vote. From the more common instances of this, like law enforcement arresting black folks more and convicting them with harsher sentences than white folks for illegal drug charges despite near identical drug use rates among all races, to the current inflated felony charges against inauguration protesters and the reporters who covered them.

The voting process in America isn't always easy, sometimes deliberately, and despite how you feel about protests generally it is a way to express political desire and dissent for those who have been disenfranchised from other ways of participating in the political system.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

so let me get this straight.

Everything is Jake so long as people who disagree with you keep their mouths shut, those who are different from you do not act differently or call attention to their differences in front of you(a challenge in my case but if the invisible man could wear bandages and sunglasses and a fedora, so can I) , and everyone overall refuses to congregate in groups that appeal to their political interests while still respecting your own?

You're in for a bad time, friend.

Actually it's the other way around. His side is on the ascendency right now. And if something doesn't step over the rotting corpse of the Democratic Party, it's going to get a lot worse in 2018.

Heh, just a few months ago the demise of the Republican party was all the rage...

The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.

Where you vote is almost more important than IF you vote due to the presence of the electoral college. Hillary could have had 10 million more votes, if they were all in California and New York they are worthless as there was no way she losing either of those states anyway.


Storyteller Shadow wrote:


The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.

we have a winner take all system 2 parties are inevitable

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mechaPoet wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?
I'd be interested to know what percentage of the people out protesting didn't vote.
hmm. Me too.

Probably a good amount, but also keep in mind:

-This was the first presidential election after the recent gutting of legal protections in the voting rights act, allowing conservative states to suppress the votes of those who the law was originally designed to protect.
-There are other legal ways to prevent people from voting - for instance, those convicted of felonies do not have the right to vote. From the more common instances of this, like law enforcement arresting black folks more and convicting them with harsher sentences than white folks for illegal drug charges despite near identical drug use rates among all races, to the current inflated felony charges against inauguration protesters and the reporters who covered them.

The voting process in America isn't always easy, sometimes deliberately, and despite how you feel about protests generally it is a way to express political desire and dissent for those who have been disenfranchised from other ways of participating in the political system.

Also to add: I filled out the paperwork and sent it in to be registered to vote this year in the window given. The month came and went. The election came and went. I finally got my card on November 30.

S#!!tiest birthday gift in my life.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Storyteller Shadow wrote:


The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.

we have a winner take all system 2 parties are inevitable

See now you are just being negative! :-)

I did not say it would happen I said it should happen.


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Storyteller Shadow wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

so let me get this straight.

Everything is Jake so long as people who disagree with you keep their mouths shut, those who are different from you do not act differently or call attention to their differences in front of you(a challenge in my case but if the invisible man could wear bandages and sunglasses and a fedora, so can I) , and everyone overall refuses to congregate in groups that appeal to their political interests while still respecting your own?

You're in for a bad time, friend.

Actually it's the other way around. His side is on the ascendency right now. And if something doesn't step over the rotting corpse of the Democratic Party, it's going to get a lot worse in 2018.

Heh, just a few months ago the demise of the Republican party was all the rage...

The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.

Keep in mind that I was predicting a Democalypse back when Brexit broke out, when everyone else thought that the Clinton 2.0 Presidency was a done deal.


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Everybody, keep calm. Well, no, don't keep calm, since we all need to be really pissed off right now if we want to put up a resistance against the oncoming s+*$ hurricane, but we all need to remember that we are all here to fight Trump, not to argue about why Trump is in office. Fact is, he's in the White House, and we all need to deal with it and get him (and preferably Pence) out of there. Infighting will only weaken us. We have to present a united front.


Werthead wrote:
Stuff...

Thank you for this...it makes a certain amount of sense!


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Storyteller Shadow wrote:


The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.

we have a winner take all system 2 parties are inevitable

With the way things are going, we may be transiting to a one party system... just like the way Trump's Pal Boris likes it.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjOdMfTqNMY

I plan to find other people locally who feel like I do, and get organized. Fellow anti-fascists.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Storyteller Shadow wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

so let me get this straight.

Everything is Jake so long as people who disagree with you keep their mouths shut, those who are different from you do not act differently or call attention to their differences in front of you(a challenge in my case but if the invisible man could wear bandages and sunglasses and a fedora, so can I) , and everyone overall refuses to congregate in groups that appeal to their political interests while still respecting your own?

You're in for a bad time, friend.

Actually it's the other way around. His side is on the ascendency right now. And if something doesn't step over the rotting corpse of the Democratic Party, it's going to get a lot worse in 2018.

Heh, just a few months ago the demise of the Republican party was all the rage...

The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.

Keep in mind that I was predicting a Democalypse back when Brexit broke out, when everyone else thought that the Clinton 2.0 Presidency was a done deal.

Quite prescient then.

I did not see that post. Did you think it was because the Democrats supported Hillary or because Trump would create enough groundswell to bring voters to his side that normally don't vote Republican?


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MMCJawa wrote:


At least part of the reason Trump won was the low turnout of left leaning voters for Hillary. I wonder how many folks are regretting those decisions after a few weeks of Trump?

Probably about the same number of folks who are regretting their expectation that the actual left would "fall in line" behind a centrist champion of the status-quo.


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The Doomkitten wrote:
Everybody, keep calm. Well, no, don't keep calm, since we all need to be really pissed off right now if we want to put up a resistance against the oncoming s#!@ hurricane, but we all need to remember that we are all here to fight Trump, not to argue about why Trump is in office. Fact is, he's in the White House, and we all need to deal with it and get him (and preferably Pence) out of there. Infighting will only weaken us. We have to present a united front.

Addressing the why is important in addressing how to bring into power public servants (not leaders, politicians are supposed to enact the will of the people so they are supposed to serve the people) who actually give a s@#$ about the people and not their own or special interests. So I think an examination of how this "S*&# hurricane" came to be is important DK.

Of course my statement above was never the intention of the "Founding Fathers" but hey written documents have a way of evolving when interpreted literally. :-)

I also realize that the only time politicians have actually served the will of the people is when pushed to the edge by the people to do so. I recommend the following book to get a good lesson on US history.

A People's History of the United States


Storyteller Shadow wrote:


See now you are just being negative! :-)

I did not say it would happen I said it should happen.

Denying reality is a large part of how we got here.

People saying we should change the 2 party system, i'm going to vote third party, i'm going to vote for the candidate i want, neither candidate appeals to me etc. was a big factor in getting us here.


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Keep in mind that I was predicting a Democalypse back when Brexit broke out, when everyone else thought that the Clinton 2.0 Presidency was a done deal.

I think it's an interesting correlation in terms of the polls being wrong and people voting who don't normally vote in areas where no polling happens. That's certainly a significant factor, and why people are worried about France (although given how the race is shaping up, a Le Pen surprise seems to have receded to pretty damn implausible, but of course we don't know). There was also some interesting correlation in people playing on popular perceptions rather than actual facts, and promises being made (in our case on the side of a big red bus) that could never be kept.

However, I find the actual causal comparisons to be much less helpful. There are huge infrastructure and practical problems in the UK which contributed to Brexit which had nothing to do with xenophobia, bigotry and racism. Surprisingly large numbers of ethnic minorities in Britain voted for Brexit, and even more bizarrely a large number of expats living in Europe who have already suffered enormous financial penalties from that move (the value of their income dropping) and don't regret it. Some of the pro-Brexit economic arguments are not totally divorced from reality, and it is hard to argue with many of the core criticisms of the EU. They didn't persuade me, as I voted Remain and believe that would serve both Britain and Europe's interests better, but the same level of insanity was not in play.


Storyteller Shadow wrote:
The Doomkitten wrote:
Everybody, keep calm. Well, no, don't keep calm, since we all need to be really pissed off right now if we want to put up a resistance against the oncoming s#!@ hurricane, but we all need to remember that we are all here to fight Trump, not to argue about why Trump is in office. Fact is, he's in the White House, and we all need to deal with it and get him (and preferably Pence) out of there. Infighting will only weaken us. We have to present a united front.

Addressing the why is important in addressing how to bring into power public servants (not leaders, politicians are supposed to enact the will of the people so they are supposed to serve the people) who actually give a s#+& about the people and not their own or special interests. So I think an examination of how this "S~*# hurricane" came to be is important DK.

Of course my statement above was never the intention of the "Founding Fathers" but hey written documents have a way of evolving when interpreted literally. :-)

I also realize that the only time politicians have actually served the will of the people is when pushed to the edge by the people to do so. I recommend the following book to get a good lesson on US history.

A People's History of the United States

That's a worthwhile discussion, actually. How can we, the people, try to get into power politicians that actually serve we, the people, rather than we, the people just sighing and voting for the lesser evil. I didn't consider it from that angle. I still believe that we need to present a united front, but in order to keep us from sliding closer and closer to the people that we fight, we also need to allow for the opportunity for discourse and discussion on where do we go after we've won. But, please, don't let it get too hot-blooded--discourse doesn't mean "raging internet argument," after all, and we don't want another ban on political threads.


Rednal wrote:


I'm genuinely saddened by this, actually. I read the comments on a lot of different news sites, and what I'm hearing is that a lot of people seem to be completely giving up on each other. We need a unifier, not a divider, and... well, I'm not sure where we're going to find one.

Trump does have the potential to BE a unifier. Not on purpose, but if he keeps up this pace of focusing on divisive tactics and not pandering to his previous voter base , he's probably going to end up with everybody pissed at him.

Our best case scenario here is that Trump is using Code Geass as his political road map.


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We get those kinds of "politicians" by running for office ourselves.

Politicians are not some strange breed of human. Nor are they some specially educated professional. They are people like me (for reals) and people like you (potentially).

I urge every one who feels the least bit concerned about the current state of democracy to start acting like they live in a democracy and getting involved in the democratic processes at the local and state level. If you don't run for school board or city council or county commission or township supervisor, then work for someone who is running.

If you are laser focused on an issue, apply to be appointed to a citizen board for that topic. Both local and county governments have a plethora of citizen boards that make decisions about local issues

Anyone can get elected as a precinct delegate to your county convention. ANYONE. It usually takes about 15 or 25 signatures on a ballot application. And the seats are usually won with fewer than 50 people voting for you. It is from those delegates that state and national conventions draw their delegates. If you aren't part of the grass-roots process, you've abandoned your chances.

And if that is all too much, at least attend your local school board/council/etc meetings and ask thoughtful questions. Know the issues facing the board and provide solid evidence via emails and handouts. One of my friends is a forensic accountant. She scrutinizes every budget proposal and gives our council member an easy-to-read summary of the things the budget will impact, even the ones that staff try to slide through

Very few people go straight into national politics. There is still a pathway via your local government seats. And they aren't reserved for "politicians". They're open to people like you.

A sign I saw while I was marching in DC Jan 21

"So bad, even the introverts are here"


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Rysky wrote:

Also to add: I filled out the paperwork and sent it in to be registered to vote this year in the window given. The month came and went. The election came and went. I finally got my card on November 30.

S+@&tiest birthday gift in my life.

*Hugs Rysky*


I sent a mail in ballot to Florida.


Just a note:

You may be officially registered even if you haven't received your card in the mail.

If it's getting close to election day, check with your (city, township, village) clerk and ask if you are on the rolls.

If you are, ask what ID you need to be allowed to vote at the polls.

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CrystalSeas wrote:

Just a note:

You may be officially registered even if you haven't received your card in the mail.

If it's getting close to election day, check with your (city, township, village) clerk and ask if you are on the rolls.

If you are, ask what ID you need to be allowed to vote at the polls.

I tried to do early voting but they couldn't find me, and multiple calls to the clerk and they couldn't find me.

Come election day and they still couldn't find me.


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CrystalSeas wrote:

Just a note:

You may be officially registered even if you haven't received your card in the mail.

If it's getting close to election day, check with your (city, township, village) clerk and ask if you are on the rolls.

If you are, ask what ID you need to be allowed to vote at the polls.

And if it is like what we heard when we went to vote in a suburban community outside of Chicago about some of the other folks trying to vote at the same time we were...

"Well, since you don't have your registration, we'll give you a provisional ballot that we will not count


Rysky wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:

Just a note:

You may be officially registered even if you haven't received your card in the mail.

If it's getting close to election day, check with your (city, township, village) clerk and ask if you are on the rolls.

If you are, ask what ID you need to be allowed to vote at the polls.

I tried to do early voting but they couldn't find me, and multiple calls to the clerk and they couldn't find me.

Come election day and they still couldn't find me.

I just had a thought. Was your attempt to register done by mail or electronically via website?

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John Napier 698 wrote:
Rysky wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:

Just a note:

You may be officially registered even if you haven't received your card in the mail.

If it's getting close to election day, check with your (city, township, village) clerk and ask if you are on the rolls.

If you are, ask what ID you need to be allowed to vote at the polls.

I tried to do early voting but they couldn't find me, and multiple calls to the clerk and they couldn't find me.

Come election day and they still couldn't find me.

I just had a thought. Was your attempt to register done by mail or electronically via website?

Mail.


Next time, try electronically. Mail could be accidentally lost without the presence of malice. Electronic transactions need to be deliberately ignored. Hope this helps.


If provisional ballots are offered, and the alternative is 'not casting ANY ballot', vote the provisional ballot.

If there are legal battles after the election, those provisional ballots can be brought back into play

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John Napier 698 wrote:
Next time, try electronically. Mail could be accidentally lost without the presence of malice. Electronic transactions need to be deliberately ignored. Hope this helps.

But it was eventually filed, as evidence by the fact that I got my card weeks after the fact -_-


Registering via computer has the added bonus of being much quicker.


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Storyteller Shadow wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Storyteller Shadow wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

so let me get this straight.

Everything is Jake so long as people who disagree with you keep their mouths shut, those who are different from you do not act differently or call attention to their differences in front of you(a challenge in my case but if the invisible man could wear bandages and sunglasses and a fedora, so can I) , and everyone overall refuses to congregate in groups that appeal to their political interests while still respecting your own?

You're in for a bad time, friend.

Actually it's the other way around. His side is on the ascendency right now. And if something doesn't step over the rotting corpse of the Democratic Party, it's going to get a lot worse in 2018.

Heh, just a few months ago the demise of the Republican party was all the rage...

The demise of a two party system should be the focus of anyone who is interested in Democracy.

Keep in mind that I was predicting a Democalypse back when Brexit broke out, when everyone else thought that the Clinton 2.0 Presidency was a done deal.

Quite prescient then.

I did not see that post. Did you think it was because the Democrats supported Hillary or because Trump would create enough groundswell to bring voters to his side that normally don't vote Republican?

Yes.


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Keep in mind that I was predicting a Democalypse back when Brexit broke out, when everyone else thought that the Clinton 2.0 Presidency was a done deal.

I think it's an interesting correlation in terms of the polls being wrong and people voting who don't normally vote in areas where no polling happens. That's certainly a significant factor, and why people are worried about France (although given how the race is shaping up, a Le Pen surprise seems to have receded to pretty damn implausible, but of course we don't know). There was also some interesting correlation in people playing on popular perceptions rather than actual facts, and promises being made (in our case on the side of a big red bus) that could never be kept.

However, I find the actual causal comparisons to be much less helpful. There are huge infrastructure and practical problems in the UK which contributed to Brexit which had nothing to do with xenophobia, bigotry and racism. Surprisingly large numbers of ethnic minorities in Britain voted for Brexit, and even more bizarrely a large number of expats living in Europe who have already suffered enormous financial penalties from that move (the value of their income dropping) and don't regret it. Some of the pro-Brexit economic arguments are not totally divorced from reality, and it is hard to argue with many of the core criticisms of the EU. They didn't persuade me, as I voted Remain and believe that would serve both Britain and Europe's interests better, but the same level of insanity was not in play.

I think it was actually. Xenophobia and Racism played loud drums in both Brexit AND the elections here. There was also the same amount of buyers remorse from a fair number of folks who voted for both Brexit and Trump, people who voted as a protest but did not actually wanted nor expected their side to win. And both elections were marked with a very high level of rancor. and social/economic division.


Fun facts for the future:

Most states let you register to vote when you apply for a driver's license.

Most states let you update your voter address when you update your driver's license address.

If you are registered to vote in one place, and do not register to vote in another place, most states allow you to vote one last time at your old registered address

If you aren't registered to vote yet, do so immediately. Voter registration doesn't expire or go stale. And many communities have local elections* and tax issues coming up over the spring and summer.

*You know: the ones you need to become involved in to make sure we get politicians who reflect our values.

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