Sorcerer Questions: Races, Feats & Spells


Rules Questions


1: If I make an Ifrit, and take its "mostly human" racial trait, can I take human-only FCBs and/or Feats?

2: If yes to feats, can I take racial heritage (Half-Elf)?

3: If yes to that, can I cast Paragon Surge?

Bonus Question: If yes to all of the above, (if anyone here knows,) is anything here not PFS legal?

4: If I'm a Sage Archetype Sorcerer, can I take Eldritch Heritage to gain a familiar?

5: If I'm a Crossblooded Archetype Sorcerer (Fire/Psychic) do I still benefit from the Ifrit "Fire Affinity" racial trait?


1. Yes.

2. As stupid as that sounds, yes.

3. Yes. Just remember that there has been errata making Paragon Surge much less OP than its original incarnation.

Bonus: Playing an ifrit might not be PFS-legal, if you don't have the clearance.


Ashram wrote:

3. Yes. Just remember that there has been errata making Paragon Surge much less OP than its original incarnation.

Bonus: Playing an ifrit might not be PFS-legal, if you don't have the clearance.

I think ifrit has been legal for new players for a little while now without a sheet thingy, but I may well be wrong.

Oh, and could you link to the errata? I'm having trouble finding it...


FAQ that was really errata but they hadn't sold all the books from the last print so did this.


Azten wrote:
FAQ that was really errata but they hadn't sold all the books from the last print so did this.

Ah thanks, still a pretty good spell :)


Apologies for the bump, any answers for q4&5?


4 - I'm... honestly not sure. Eldritch Heritage can't grant you the 1st level ability of a bloodline you already possess, but I believe you already count as possessing the Arcane bloodline. If that's the case, you likely can't get a familiar at all, as you won't be able to get Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) and since you're already replacing the 1st level bloodline power you won't be able to take a bloodline familiar (since that also replaces your 1st level bloodline power as well).

5 - I see no reason you couldn't. You possess the Elemental (Fire) bloodline; possessing a second bloodline doesn't change that.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

I'd rule:
4) No, you already have arcane.
5) Yes, you have bloodline fire.

Scarab Sages

I noticed the Familiar Bond feat chain earlier today. Apparently anyone can get a familiar for the cost of 3 feats now. I'd double check it's legal, but Archives of Nethys says it is. You'd already have been spending 2 feats to get it (Spell Focus and Eldritch Heritage). In either your situations #4 or #5 you'd have access to Iron Will as a bloodline bonus feat, so you'd just need to spend a feat on Familiar Bond, and a second on Improved Familiar Bond, assuming you want a full power familiar. I think per the recent FAQ, you could even take Improved Familiar if you wanted, but now we're talking 4 feats.


Or you could not spend any feats at all and just trade in your useless arcane bolt for a bloodline familiar.


SillyString wrote:
Ashram wrote:

3. Yes. Just remember that there has been errata making Paragon Surge much less OP than its original incarnation.

Bonus: Playing an ifrit might not be PFS-legal, if you don't have the clearance.

I think ifrit has been legal for new players for a little while now without a sheet thingy, but I may well be wrong.

Oh, and could you link to the errata? I'm having trouble finding it...

To play an ifrit or any of the elemental planetouched races, you need a racial boon. to use a racial spell, you need to be of the race. That's a PFS limitation.

Scarab Sages

The elemental races became legal in PFS this season (season 8) without a boon, since the season deals with the elemental planes.

@Avoron - in scenario #4, he's taken the Sage Wildblooded Archetype, which already replaces the level 1 bloodline power. In scenario #5 (Crossblooded Elemental(Fire)/Psychic) it looks like Bloodline Familiar might work.

Dark Archive

I've seen it argued that wild blood and cross blooded doesn't mix as they both affetc bloodline powers. Assuming the previous is allowed then you are taking fire and psychic, neither of which are the arcane bloodline, so you can eldritch heritage the familiar power. And as others said the elemental races, except suli, are currently legal as of season 8.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

You can not be wild blooded and cross blooded.


Ferious Thune wrote:
@Avoron - in scenario #4, he's taken the Sage Wildblooded Archetype, which already replaces the level 1 bloodline power. In scenario #5 (Crossblooded Elemental(Fire)/Psychic) it looks like Bloodline Familiar might work.

Yes, it replaces the level 1 bloodline power... with another level 1 bloodline power, the aforementioned useless arcane bolt. The wildblooded archetype makes it very clear that you still select an ordinary bloodline (arcane), you just gain some different abilities from the mutated version. So I see no reason why you couldn't swap out arcane bolt for a bloodline familiar - it's not like you're adding an additional archetype. Individual GMs may vary.

Scarab Sages

For PFS at least, there's developer clarification that is a Wildblooded bloodline replaces the level 1 bloodline power, then you cannot select a Bloodline Familiar.

LINK

Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:
Wildblooded and bloodline familiar are compatible, as long as the wildblooded option that you choose does not also replace the sorcerer's 1st-level bloodline power. For example, you could not put a bloodline familiar on a karmic sorcerer.


Just to clarify for everyone, q4&5 do not pertain to the same character build. I have no intention of trying to stack wildblooded and crossblooded, I fully realise that'd be illegal.

So just to clarify;

6: If I'm a wildblooded Sage (Arcane bloodline that replaces 1st level bloodline power) I can't select Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) to gain a familiar?

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
to use a racial spell, you need to be of the race. That's a PFS limitation.

7: In PFS, I cant cast Paragon Surge if I'm a human with racial heritage (Half-Elf)?

A couple more questions:

8: If I'm a wildblooded Sage (Arcane), can I pick up Eldritch Heritage (Elemental)?

9: If yes, and I'm an ifrit, am I treated as a sorcerer with the elemental bloodline for the purpose of Fire Affinity?

10: If yes, does Fire Affinity still increase my CHA, instead of my INT (and is therefore not worth taking alongside the sage archetype)?


11: Provided the answer to Q8 is yes, would the powers granted by eldritch heritage (elemental) use CHA or INT? (Example: Elemental Ray uses per day)

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