Camel Racing through a Lightning Storm and Automatic Successes


Rules Questions and Gameplay Discussion

Verdant Wheel Owner - Griffonest Games

We have just begun the Shifting Sands adventure. In the first scenario, Muminofrah's Amusement, the first card that we flipped was a Lightning Storm Barrier! The flavor is too rich.

One of the characters we are using is Seltyiel from S&S. He has his Elven Scimitar (P) card from the Battle Iconic sets. The final ability on this weapon says:

If you have the Magus trait, recharge this card to succeed at your check against a spell.

In Mummy's Mask, the value of your rolls matter. In this scenario, your checks to defeat and acquire need to be higher than the Cultist Charioteers. If I use the ability on the weapon to auto acquire a spell, what is my result total considered to be?

Do I get to determine the number? This would also be useful against some of the other cards that require you to be within some specific range.

Does it count as the exact number needed to acquire?

Does it count as no roll whatsoever?


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Scott Rogganbuck wrote:

We have just begun the Shifting Sands adventure. In the first scenario, Muminofrah's Amusement, the first card that we flipped was a Lightning Storm Barrier! The flavor is too rich.

One of the characters we are using is Seltyiel from S&S. He has his Elven Scimitar (P) card from the Battle Iconic sets. The final ability on this weapon says:

If you have the Magus trait, recharge this card to succeed at your check against a spell.

In Mummy's Mask, the value of your rolls matter. In this scenario, your checks to defeat and acquire need to be higher than the Cultist Charioteers. If I use the ability on the weapon to auto acquire a spell, what is my result total considered to be?

Do I get to determine the number? This would also be useful against some of the other cards that require you to be within some specific range.

Does it count as the exact number needed to acquire?

Does it count as no roll whatsoever?

You did not roll, so it does not count as a roll. You bypass the roll and automatically succeed. Per the Golden Rules, you ignore any instructions that are impossible, so any powers that deal with the result of the roll are impossible because there was no roll -- you ignore any such powers.

Verdant Wheel Owner - Griffonest Games

skizzerz wrote:


You did not roll, so it does not count as a roll. You bypass the roll and automatically succeed. Per the Golden Rules, you ignore any instructions that are impossible, so any powers that deal with the result of the roll are impossible because there was no roll -- you ignore any such powers.

So in terms of the Cultist Charioteers, would that bypass their rule that says to put things into a "Trophy Pile"? In the case I mentioned, would the spell go to my hand instead?


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
MM rulebook, p10 wrote:
If a power allows you to automatically defeat or acquire a card, you may use it instead of attempting the check. Doing so counts as succeeding at all checks and requirements to defeat or acquire the card. You may not use such a power against any card that does not have a check to acquire or defeat, or any card that has a check you’re not allowed to succeed at.
Cultist Charioteers wrote:
While displayed, when you encounter a card that has a check to acquire or defeat, each character rolls 1d8+1d6. Add the number of characters to the highest result and add 5 if the check is a combat check. This is the Cultist Charioteers' result. Then attempt to acquire or defeat the card. If the Cultist Charioteers' result exceeds the result of your highest check to acquire or defeat, put the card on top of a trophy stack next to this card. Otherwise, if you acquired or defeated the card, put it on top of a trophy stack next to your deck.

I've struck out the instruction you would ignore should you automatically acquire the card or automatically succeed at your check to acquire. You would still follow every other sentence that is on the card, including putting it into your trophy stack.

Verdant Wheel Owner - Griffonest Games

Thank you for this clarification!

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