avr |
If you're willing to work with him there's a 3rd party rogue talent which does this. What character class is he looking at?
Dragonchess Player |
Make an Acrobatics check with a DC of an opponent's CMD to move (at half speed) through a threatened square; +10 to the DC to move at full speed.
Scott Wilhelm |
The obvious choice seems to be the Acrobatics Skill. Take lots of Ranks. Take a level in a Class such that it's a Class Skill. Get Elven Boots.
Another thought is if the character takes a 1 level dip in Arcanist. There is an Arcane Exploit Dimensional Slide, a tactical teleport with a 10' range (for starters) that can be done as part of a Move.
You can take care to have more Reach than your target.
I also have a lot of ideas that don't prevent those AoOs, but they are helpful in the event of AoOs. I don't want to spray you with ideas that might not speak to what you want. What kind of character is this player looking to make?
lemeres |
Ascalaphus wrote:Charging in itself doesn't provoke. It's the movement through threatened squares that provokes, such as when trying to get close enough to a creature with more reach than you.
What is your player doing that he's provoking AoOs?
Charging through an enemies reach to get to him
So you mean he runs at an enemy, but the target has a long enough reach that he has to eat an AoO to get to the target?
Lunge seems like an obvious way to reduce that problem. In exchange for -2 AC (which gets to -4 witch charge...) you get +5' of reach for attacking during your turn.
Increasing your reach means that you do not have to go as far to attack. On a large sized 'tall' creature (like a giant), that would let you attack after just entering the enemy's reach.
Other reach increasing things work. Enlarge person is fairly common.
bitter lily |
Uh, I apparently didn't understand something correctly.
Bob, a normal, Medium human wielding a longsword, wants to charge a Fire Giant, who has 10-ft reach. Worse, Bob has to go past another Fire Giant -- his target's buddy -- on the way. (He's moving in a straight line, just through four of the buddy's threatened squares.)
How many attacks of opportunity does he take? Apparently, the answer is NOT "none, he's charging."
Waterhammer |
Uh, I apparently didn't understand something correctly.
Bob, a normal, Medium human wielding a longsword, wants to charge a Fire Giant, who has 10-ft reach. Worse, Bob has to go past another Fire Giant -- his target's buddy -- on the way. (He's moving in a straight line, just through four of the buddy's threatened squares.)
How many attacks of opportunity does he take? Apparently, the answer is NOT "none, he's charging."
In your example, Bob provokes two AoOs. One from the fire giant's buddy, and one from the fire giant he is charging. You provoke the AoO as you leave the threatened square, which gives the giant that Bob is charging an attack before Bob can get in range. Assuming no one has combat reflexes for this instance.
If it were soldiers wielding glaives instead of giants the results would be the same.
If Bob is attacking with a glaive, he would only provoke an attack from the giant he foolishly ran by in his charge.
At least that's how I read it.
lemeres |
If you have the room to dedicate an entire build, you could get a long distance melee full attack without charging or any risk of AoOs.
Outslug style is made for close weapons (and most easily used by brawlers), and it has two main additions to your reach: it removes the penalties on lunge (lunge is a prereq to the style) and it increases your 5' step to 10' (remember- 5' steps don't draw AoOs).
this would allow you to attack enemies 20' away before even considering buffs (5' natural reach +10' step +5' from lunge). Thus you have little reason to charge, and you could literally dance around an enemy without any risk. Heck, since the style gives bonuses when you move before attacking, it is practically advisable to dance around enemies.
bitter lily |
Waterhammer, thank you. Now, what if Bob had started out in the last square that the buddy threatens, and was wielding a glaive? Would charging the next FG keep the buddy from making an AoO? (Obviously, using a reach weapon keeps the target from doing so.)
lemeres, Outslug style looks interesting, but the PRD search engine isn't pulling it up. What book is it from?
lemeres |
Waterhammer, thank you. Now, what if Bob had started out in the last square that the buddy threatens, and was wielding a glaive? Would charging the next FG keep the buddy from making an AoO? (Obviously, using a reach weapon keeps the target from doing so.)
lemeres, Outslug style looks interesting, but the PRD search engine isn't pulling it up. What book is it from?
Weapon master's handbook. It is one of the new style feats for weapons, in this case, it is for close weapons. You can find the material on d20pfsrd or archives of nethys fairly easily.
The feat chain is: outslug style, outslug weave, and outslug sprint. The first two are rather boring, but the 10' step changes things enough that it is great.
It is pretty clearly meant for brawlers, since it has combat expertise OR brawler's cunning class feature (which also cuts out another prereq- int 13). Not hard to satisfy (since a 2 level brawler dip is rather nice for any TWF build, since you can take ITWF regularly, and the flurry lets you use a single weapon; greater for a slayer multiclass).
Jarred Henninger |
Waterhammer, thank you. Now, what if Bob had started out in the last square that the buddy threatens, and was wielding a glaive? Would charging the next FG keep the buddy from making an AoO? (Obviously, using a reach weapon keeps the target from doing so.)
lemeres, Outslug style looks interesting, but the PRD search engine isn't pulling it up. What book is it from?
nope, leaving a threatened square still provokes.
bitter lily |
I've been distracted, but I'm back.
Oh, it's in the bloody footnotes.
1 Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity.
Nicos |
bitter lily wrote:Uh, I apparently didn't understand something correctly.
Bob, a normal, Medium human wielding a longsword, wants to charge a Fire Giant, who has 10-ft reach. Worse, Bob has to go past another Fire Giant -- his target's buddy -- on the way. (He's moving in a straight line, just through four of the buddy's threatened squares.)
How many attacks of opportunity does he take? Apparently, the answer is NOT "none, he's charging."
In your example, Bob provokes two AoOs. One from the fire giant's buddy, and one from the fire giant he is charging. You provoke the AoO as you leave the threatened square, which gives the giant that Bob is charging an attack before Bob can get in range. Assuming no one has combat reflexes for this instance.
Combat reflexes would not change the numbers of AoO the fire giants get
"Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus."