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I hate you guys....
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Lets not generate hate folks.
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Hate is only appropriate here insofar as it offers impedance to the current flux of electrical puns. I must say, the idea has potential, but it might meet resistance.
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Hate is only appropriate here insofar as it offers impedance to the current flux of electrical puns. I must say, the idea has potential, but it might meet resistance.
Which would generate quite a battery of complaints, I imagine.
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Ohm...watt's the topic again?
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Things that have no rules (but perhaps should)
1. Throwing objects for distance (not attacking) is a gray area in the rules. Throwing a baseball, for example.
2. Lifting (besides checking up encumbrance, lifting and sustaining weight of a collapsing wall/fallen table/etc. until your allies get to safety is a classic trope)--also throwing lifted objects.
3. Magical investigation: tracking down auras and identifying magic signatures
4. Dynamic ability score increase through training instead of level increase (although limited by diminishing returns or a hard cap)
5. Fatigue from combat (outlasting an enemy by dodging their attacks, could be a valid tactic for duels and tanking--assuming the enemy doesn't attack your allies instead)
6. Climbing and attacking giant creatures as terrain (perhaps ignoring penalties to called shots)
1. I thought there was rules for this but not really apparently, outside of the Hurling Rage Powers.
2. Not sure how they would handle this, while doors and gates already have weights listed, walls would be on a case per case basis.5. I'd be against another limiter for combat, especially for Martials, we already have the abstraction of HP and class resources.
6. YUS
Burrow still lacks rules. Earth Glide has rules that appear to differentiate it from Burrow, but Burrow is never actually defined in Pathfinder outside of the burrow spell, which also calls out differences from standard Burrow rules.
I have a character in PFS where I have to ask the GM at the start of every scenario what their interpretation of these non-existent rules are so I know whether I can actually use part of a feat I have on it. I know a number of GMs are happy that this character has hit retirement levels so I don't have to bring it up as often.
Are there haggling rules?
Are there haggling rules?Not that I know of, but I'd base such on skills like Diplomacy (possibly Bluff or Intimidate depending on your aproach) and Profession (merchant).
Appraise also seems like a skill that could factor into it.
Are there haggling rules?
Bartering is in Ultimate Campaign.
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Things that have no rules (but perhaps should)
2. Lifting (besides checking up encumbrance, lifting and sustaining weight of a collapsing wall/fallen table/etc. until your allies get to safety is a classic trope)--also throwing lifted objects.
There's actually an example of lifting a fallen roof beam in the Giantslayer AP, and as I recall, the way they did it was a strength check of some sort.
Are there haggling rules?Bartering is in Ultimate Campaign.
I don't have it so I never bothered to check it out. I'm looking it up now. Seems like there is a lot to it. Either way, that's a rule for something I didn't know existed and that's what this thread is about.
6. Climbing and attacking giant creatures as terrain (perhaps ignoring penalties to called shots)
If only the rules had a 'Shadow Of The Colossus' section. I'd be min/maxing that day 1.
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Things that have no rules (but perhaps should) II7. Using shields to block (not avoid) damage such as dragon-breath, area of effect spells, and provide cover against general projectiles
We do have the Missile Shield and Ray Shield feats for projectiles, and I think the area affect one is covered by an archetype.
EDIT: Tower Shield Specialist for Fighters helps with area effects.
Maybe he wants the shield to take the damage. I think there is a feat that lets you negate a crit at the expense of your shield but I could be wrong.
well the reflex in that case would be getting your shield up in time before you got burned. I think I see what your saying. I feel like there was optional rules for something like that in 3-3.5. I think it tends to add more trouble then its worth. Plus losing +5 shields to massive blows suck.
I'd like rules that would allow you to run an archery contest where skill is more important than d20 variance in how close you get to a bullseye.
I'd like rules that would allow you to run an archery contest where skill is more important than d20 variance in how close you get to a bullseye.
Generally that's represented mechanically by BAB....
I'd like rules that would allow you to run an archery contest where skill is more important than d20 variance in how close you get to a bullseye.Generally that's represented mechanically by BAB....
I feel like it would be more interesting to model something like an archery contest with things subtler than "what's your to-hit modifier using a bow" since that basically comes down to BAB and feats.
I mean, someone who has devoted their life to the bow should probably have much better than even odds than "fairly dexterous fighter at the same class level" in an archery contest. But if A's to-hit modifier is 2 more than B's, A only wins 60% of the time.
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There is an archery contest in the Ruby Phoenix Tournament module. It's for level 11 PCs. The way it is done there is simply by AC, central and distant targets having higher AC.
The level means that someone like a Ranger finds it easy, the rest of the party might not bother trying. The bonuses seem to matter more than the d20 by that stage.
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8. Rules for capturing and threatening attacks/hostages (and easier called shot) *
10. Rules for drop-attacks or landing on characters (most GMs let fall damage apply evenly or to one over the other)
12. Blocking natural attacks with items (using a stick or shield to prevent a bite attack or pin a tail or wing to the ground)**
13. Armor-piercing rules for bludgeons or bludgeon-piercing damage
14. Sensing or assessing a target's general power/magical skill (non-alignment-based aura)
15. Back-breaking or general super-maneuver to break creatures as objects, causing disability as per called shot
8) I wouldn't mind more of these, right now only Vigilantes and Mythic characters can do these.
10) Branch Pounce!12) Barbed Vest is one, might be others.
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14) Like picking up what class abilities they have or their levels?
15) Oooooo...
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8. Rules for capturing and threatening attacks/hostages (and easier called shot) *
10. Rules for drop-attacks or landing on characters (most GMs let fall damage apply evenly or to one over the other)
12. Blocking natural attacks with items (using a stick or shield to prevent a bite attack or pin a tail or wing to the ground)**
13. Armor-piercing rules for bludgeons or bludgeon-piercing damage
14. Sensing or assessing a target's general power/magical skill (non-alignment-based aura)
15. Back-breaking or general super-maneuver to break creatures as objects, causing disability as per called shot10) Branch Pounce!
12) Barbed Vest is one, might be others.
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14) Like picking up what class abilities they have or their levels?10. I was thinking more of a universal ability, but a feat works.
12. A combat maneuver to block a bite or bind a wing would do, I think.
13. Meaning maces and picks ignore armor or give a bonus to AC versus armored opponents (max bonus cannot exceed armor bonus).
14. Levels, highest-level spell slot, and general ability score range. Mostly in relation to self.
13) Ah! I thought they already had an ability like this but I was wrong, a "Puncturing" quality would be nice.
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17. Looting non-humanoid enemies and gaining useful body parts (like current dragon-hide rules--petrifying medusa head, milk poison from snakes, bottled gorgon's breath, etc.)
As much as I love a Harvesting system I can see why it isn't more widespread. You attribute value to the various monster pieces then that means those pieces take up wealth, which means less other types of loot that monster has, which means you're screwed if you can't harvest it or mess up harvesting it.
As much as I love a Harvesting system I can see why it isn't more widespread. You attribute value to the various monster pieces then that means those pieces take up wealth, which means less other types of loot that monster has, which means you're screwed if you can't harvest it or mess up harvesting it.Things that have no rules (but perhaps should) IV
17. Looting non-humanoid enemies and gaining useful body parts (like current dragon-hide rules--petrifying medusa head, milk poison from snakes, bottled gorgon's breath, etc.)
I would be more concerned about using intelligent creature's body parts as weapons and armour, but that already is in the rules with dragonhide, so...
Also, I thought you could already gather poison from dead creatures.
meh, i think using intelligent creatures as weapons and armor is kind of taken for granted in the pathfinder-verse, what with intelligent items and all
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Things that have no rules (but perhaps should) V
18. Affecting intelligent undead with mind-affecting spells.
19. Focusing attacks instead of making many (instead of using iterative attacks, deal increased damage on a successful hit by spending attack actions, such as dealing +2d6 damage by spending an iterative).
20. Spending downtime on training to increase current hit points (cannot exceed normal maximum).
18. You can do that with feats and certain archetypes.
19. Vital Strike?20. You can already use downtime to retrain a HD.
Things that have no rules (but perhaps should) V
18. Affecting intelligent undead with mind-affecting spells.
19. Focusing attacks instead of making many (instead of using iterative attacks, deal increased damage on a successful hit by spending attack actions, such as dealing +2d6 damage by spending an iterative).
20. Spending downtime on training to increase current hit points (cannot exceed normal maximum).18. You can do that with feats and certain archetypes.
19. Vital Strike?
20. You can already use downtime to retrain a HD.
Expanding those answers:
18. Will of the Dead (psychic), Psychic Inception (mesmerist), Threnodic Spell (metamagic feat)
19. Pummeling Style, as well.
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Things that have no rules (but perhaps should) V
18. Affecting intelligent undead with mind-affecting spells.
19. Focusing attacks instead of making many (instead of using iterative attacks, deal increased damage on a successful hit by spending attack actions, such as dealing +2d6 damage by spending an iterative).
20. Spending downtime on training to increase current hit points (cannot exceed normal maximum).18. You can do that with feats and certain archetypes.
19. Vital Strike?
20. You can already use downtime to retrain a HD.Expanding those answers:
18. Will of the Dead (psychic), Psychic Inception (mesmerist), Threnodic Spell (metamagic feat)
I think the point is less "this thing can be done with specific feats" and is more that "since intelligent undead are not mindless, mind-affecting effects should work on them by default and I want a rule for that."
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But cleave requires an attack roll.
Think of if Whirlwind Attack forced adjacent enemies to roll Reflex or take half damage.
I rather stick with normal Cleave (and Whirlwind if for some reason I ever took it) since as a Martial I have really good Attack bonus so I'm probably going to hit, and deal full damage. Whereas with a Reflex save you can lower the damage or outright negate it with Evasion.
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*nods*
Though I think invisible creatures would still get the 50% concealmeant (I would have to read up some more) and it wouldn't help against swarms since most are immune to weapon damage, AoE weapon damage wouldn't really help there.
A swarm made up of Tiny creatures takes half damage from slashing and piercing weapons. A swarm composed of Fine or Diminutive creatures is immune to all weapon damage.