BretI Venture-Lieutenant, Minnesota—Minneapolis |
Preston Hudson Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane |
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I think the rules are different for Season 0 scenarios.
There, I do not think you can buy (as an example) Gauntlets of ogre power even though it is listed on the chronicle sheet. Those items do not exist in the Pathfinder rules set.
The official ruling is that if the item does not exist in Pathfinder it is crossed off and unavailable. If the item from a season 0 chronicle has a Pathfinder equivalent then it is the Pathfinder version of the item that is made available. This ruling was made by the post of a previous campaign coordinator and, as of my post, has not been changed or resinded.
Tonya Woldridge Organized Play Coordinator |
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BretI wrote:I think the rules are different for Season 0 scenarios.
There, I do not think you can buy (as an example) Gauntlets of ogre power even though it is listed on the chronicle sheet. Those items do not exist in the Pathfinder rules set.
The official ruling is that if the item does not exist in Pathfinder it is crossed off and unavailable. If the item from a season 0 chronicle has a Pathfinder equivalent then it is the Pathfinder version of the item that is made available. This ruling was made by the post of a previous campaign coordinator and, as of my post, has not been changed or resinded.
Preston is spot on!
RealAlchemy |
This is why I tell my players locally that they should NOT rely on Nethys or SRD sites to base decisions on their PFS characters. It is always best to use Additional Resources as your reference point.
Nethys and SRD are good quick references, but yes. Once you see something you want, always go back and check the Additional Resources page.
Ferious Thune |
BigNorseWolf wrote:The language on the PRD and the language in my Ult Equip (1st print) on Quick Runner's are the same - how was this snipped? It lets you spend your swift to get an extra move action to move.
quick runners shirt is now legal that it's been.. snipped.
The errata for Ultimate Equipment added the requirement that you must wear the item for 24 hours before you can use it, which stopped people from buying multiple shirts and changing them to get the benefit more than once per day. It was made legal for PFS after the errata.
Backpack |
BretI wrote:I think the rules are different for Season 0 scenarios.
There, I do not think you can buy (as an example) Gauntlets of ogre power even though it is listed on the chronicle sheet. Those items do not exist in the Pathfinder rules set.
The official ruling is that if the item does not exist in Pathfinder it is crossed off and unavailable. If the item from a season 0 chronicle has a Pathfinder equivalent then it is the Pathfinder version of the item that is made available. This ruling was made by the post of a previous campaign coordinator and, as of my post, has not been changed or rescinded.
This is in relation to specifically season 0 mods correct? I know one of a few items from later on that only exist on chronicles. I.E. greater hat of disguise and gauntlets of mighty strength.
CigarPete |
BigNorseWolf wrote:It did not.It also ends your turn now. Pretty sure it didn't do that before.
Where are you seeing this? The language from the PRD here - is the PRD not updated with Errata?
QUICK RUNNER'S SHIRTPrice 1,000 gp; Aura faint transmutation; CL 5th; Weight —
This shirt is made of light, gossamer-thin fabric embroidered with arrangements of winged feet. Once per day as a swift action, the wearer can take an additional move action to move on his turn.
CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS
Cost 500 gp
Craft Wondrous Item, haste
Christopher Rowe Contributor |
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:BigNorseWolf wrote:It did not.It also ends your turn now. Pretty sure it didn't do that before.
Where are you seeing this? The language from the PRD here - is the PRD not updated with Errata?
QUICK RUNNER'S SHIRT
Price 1,000 gp; Aura faint transmutation; CL 5th; Weight —
This shirt is made of light, gossamer-thin fabric embroidered with arrangements of winged feet. Once per day as a swift action, the wearer can take an additional move action to move on his turn.
CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTSCost 500 gp
Craft Wondrous Item, haste
The launch page for the PRD indicates that the Ultimate Equipment errata have not yet been added, I think.
The language in my .pdf of Ultimate Equipment maps on to what Wei Ji and Ferious Thune have written here.
Pink Dragon |
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GM Lamplighter wrote:No, it applies to all non-Pathfinder items.I am pretty certain this is not true. Gauntlets of Strength appear on a season 7 chronicle.
I believe Andrew to be correct. Prior to Tonya's post up-thread, the last word from PFS management I have seen on this topic is from John Compton on December 12, 2013. Here he says:
1) the ruling on Season 0 Chronicle sheets that have items that no longer exist or were replaced by nearly identical items (e.g. gauntlets of giant strength +2 later replaced by belt of giant strength +2) still stands.
2) Please do bring weird anomalies in magic items to my attention. ... I'll aim to call out any such exceptional items or combinations on Chronicle sheets in the future to note that "yes, you're reading this correctly."
The blanket prohibition on illegal items only applies to Season 0 items. For all others Seasons, PFS management is to make a case-by-case decision. Tonya's post up-thread is directed only to a comment about Season 0 chronicle items, and aligns with Part 1) of John Compton's statements on December 12, 2013.
Backpack |
andreww wrote:And that chronicle says how they function (which is a gauntlet version of a Pathfinder item)GM Lamplighter wrote:No, it applies to all non-Pathfinder items.I am pretty certain this is not true. Gauntlets of Strength appear on a season 7 chronicle.
So then the greater hat of disguise is illegal, as that is the only place it exists. There are plenty of examples of items you can only get off of chronicles still, usually small things, and I have always interpreted the rule as: In season 0, items that do not exist in pathfinder are converted into their pathfinder counterpart. If one such counterpart does not exist, the item must be crossed off the sheet. Items on later chronicles are always legal and available unless they are directly updated or faq'd by paizo.
crashcanuck |
crashcanuck wrote:So then the greater hat of disguise is illegal, as that is the only place it exists. There are plenty of examples of items you can only get off of chronicles still, usually small things, and I have always interpreted the rule as: In season 0, items that do not exist in pathfinder are converted into their pathfinder counterpart. If one such counterpart does not exist, the item must be crossed off the sheet. Items on later chronicles are always legal and available unless they are directly updated or faq'd by paizo.andreww wrote:And that chronicle says how they function (which is a gauntlet version of a Pathfinder item)GM Lamplighter wrote:No, it applies to all non-Pathfinder items.I am pretty certain this is not true. Gauntlets of Strength appear on a season 7 chronicle.
Except that item also has the description of how it works on the chronicle. The items you cannot purchase anymore would be ones that are listed but have no description on how they function from a Pathfinder source
Firebug |
Pretty sure the items you are referencing in season 7 say they act as a different item that is legal, but take up a different slot then normal. Or the chronicle is the only legal sources for the item (greater disguise) since the book(a module) it is from does not have an entry in additional resources, yet the item is on the chronicle.
Of the top of my head I can think of at least one necklace that counts as a headband of int +2/+4 depending on the tier of the chronicle, and I am pretty sure there is a pair of gloves that count as a belt of giant strength, like you mentioned. I know there are several combined items, cloak of elvenkind + resistance that are bonus access if someone at the table played a certain pregen in a certain adventure.
MadScientistWorking Venture-Agent, Massachusetts—Boston Metro |
Backpack wrote:Except that item also has the description of how it works on the chronicle. The items you cannot purchase anymore would be ones that are listed but have no description on how they function from a Pathfinder sourcecrashcanuck wrote:So then the greater hat of disguise is illegal, as that is the only place it exists. There are plenty of examples of items you can only get off of chronicles still, usually small things, and I have always interpreted the rule as: In season 0, items that do not exist in pathfinder are converted into their pathfinder counterpart. If one such counterpart does not exist, the item must be crossed off the sheet. Items on later chronicles are always legal and available unless they are directly updated or faq'd by paizo.andreww wrote:And that chronicle says how they function (which is a gauntlet version of a Pathfinder item)GM Lamplighter wrote:No, it applies to all non-Pathfinder items.I am pretty certain this is not true. Gauntlets of Strength appear on a season 7 chronicle.
Actually even then there is a unique item in season seven which is legal but the never gave a description for.
Ascalaphus Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden |
There's a +1 keen longbow on a chronicle sheet out there. Some GMs crossed it off thinking "hey, Keen says it can only be on melee weapons". When asked, leadership (I think John Compton) said it was there intentionally as a piece of special treasure, and that he expected everyone to understand what a keen longbow would do.
So in conclusion: don't be too hasty to cross stuff off after season 0 just because it looks strange.
Tallow |
andreww wrote:And that chronicle says how they function (which is a gauntlet version of a Pathfinder item)GM Lamplighter wrote:No, it applies to all non-Pathfinder items.I am pretty certain this is not true. Gauntlets of Strength appear on a season 7 chronicle.
And they are appropriately priced for an out of slot item as well.