paizo.com Recent Posts in Spider-Man Homecomingpaizo.com Recent Posts in Spider-Man Homecoming2017-11-03T13:48:55Z2017-11-03T13:48:55ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man Homecomingcaptain yesterdayhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2922017-11-03T04:18:41Z2017-11-01T20:19:13Z<p>She reminded me of my daughter.</p>She reminded me of my daughter.captain yesterday2017-11-01T20:19:13ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingBenchak the Nightstalker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2912017-12-05T13:15:50Z2017-11-01T20:16:34Z<p><b>Tropes are not bad.</b></p>
<p>The movie was clearly going for a John Hughes vibe, and Michelle the weird snarky loner kid helped sell that. </p>
<p>I thought Zendaya's performance was great, and that she had some legitimately funny bits—drawing in detention was my favorite. I also appreciated the hints they were dropping that Michelle is figuring out Pete's secret.</p>Tropes are not bad.
The movie was clearly going for a John Hughes vibe, and Michelle the weird snarky loner kid helped sell that.
I thought Zendaya's performance was great, and that she had some legitimately funny bits--drawing in detention was my favorite. I also appreciated the hints they were dropping that Michelle is figuring out Pete's secret.Benchak the Nightstalker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8)2017-11-01T20:16:34ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingMark Norfolkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2902017-11-01T11:59:24Z2017-11-01T10:29:16Z<p>Nah. She was a cliché. A trope. The free-wheeling loner kid who says "Hey. It's me. Deal". Same old same old. YMMV of course...</p>Nah. She was a cliché. A trope. The free-wheeling loner kid who says "Hey. It's me. Deal". Same old same old. YMMV of course...Mark Norfolk2017-11-01T10:29:16ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man Homecomingcaptain yesterdayhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2892017-12-05T13:15:51Z2017-11-01T01:49:08Z<p>Michelle was awesome.</p>Michelle was awesome.captain yesterday2017-11-01T01:49:08ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingKahnyaGnorchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2882017-11-01T04:06:43Z2017-11-01T01:43:17Z<p>Both were rather annoying, but I found Michelle to be moreso. I also agree that Flash was not a credible bully.</p>Both were rather annoying, but I found Michelle to be moreso. I also agree that Flash was not a credible bully.KahnyaGnorc2017-11-01T01:43:17ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingAmbrosia Slaadhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2872017-12-05T13:15:43Z2017-10-31T19:55:14Z<p>I don't get the Michelle=bully thought. She was sarcastic and snarky, sure. But she was clearly an outsider; bullies like Flash assemble a court of followers around themselves. Michelle punched up with her criticisms and snark; Flash, like other bullies, punches down.</p>I don't get the Michelle=bully thought. She was sarcastic and snarky, sure. But she was clearly an outsider; bullies like Flash assemble a court of followers around themselves. Michelle punched up with her criticisms and snark; Flash, like other bullies, punches down.Ambrosia Slaad2017-10-31T19:55:14ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man Homecomingthejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2862017-10-31T18:45:20Z2017-10-31T18:45:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Oh it happens. Very sweet moment of my life when I realized that if you start kicking chairs at peoples heads you'll thin the herd down to a manageable level and get some one on one time with the bully without his friends...</p>
<p>(met someone i still play D&D with that day...) </blockquote><p>I'm sure it does happen, but I don't think it's as reliable an approach as the trope makes it out to be.
<p>I just got beaten up worse and detention when I tried to fight back.</p>BigNorseWolf wrote:Oh it happens. Very sweet moment of my life when I realized that if you start kicking chairs at peoples heads you'll thin the herd down to a manageable level and get some one on one time with the bully without his friends...
(met someone i still play D&D with that day...)
I'm sure it does happen, but I don't think it's as reliable an approach as the trope makes it out to be. I just got beaten up worse and detention when I tried to fight back.thejeff2017-10-31T18:45:20ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingThe Thing From Another Worldhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2852017-10-31T18:50:39Z2017-10-31T18:43:54Z<p>Then we will agree to disagree. No one here or elsewhere will ever convince me that the Flash in Homecoming was a credible bully. </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">GreenDragon1133 wrote:</div><blockquote> Michelle was a more effective bully than Eugene/Flash. </blockquote><p>I'm not sure if that was the director impression yet I cannot really disagree. Then again I like Flash more than her. She came off to me at least as the kind of person who had either no parenting growing up. Or parents that spoiled her imo. She came off as incredibly spoiled. With NO social filter whatsoever. It seemed the adults around her or the way the script was written as being utterly unable to deal with her.Then we will agree to disagree. No one here or elsewhere will ever convince me that the Flash in Homecoming was a credible bully.
GreenDragon1133 wrote:Michelle was a more effective bully than Eugene/Flash.
I'm not sure if that was the director impression yet I cannot really disagree. Then again I like Flash more than her. She came off to me at least as the kind of person who had either no parenting growing up. Or parents that spoiled her imo. She came off as incredibly spoiled. With NO...The Thing From Another World2017-10-31T18:43:54ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingBigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2842017-10-31T18:20:22Z2017-10-31T18:20:22Z<p>Oh it happens. Very sweet moment of my life when I realized that if you start kicking chairs at peoples heads you'll thin the herd down to a manageable level and get some one on one time with the bully without his friends...</p>
<p>(met someone i still play D&D with that day...)</p>Oh it happens. Very sweet moment of my life when I realized that if you start kicking chairs at peoples heads you'll thin the herd down to a manageable level and get some one on one time with the bully without his friends...
(met someone i still play D&D with that day...)BigNorseWolf2017-10-31T18:20:22ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingFreehold DMhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2832017-10-31T18:08:09Z2017-10-31T18:08:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">The Thing From Another World wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.</p>
<p>Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real world Flash would get his butt handed to him. </blockquote><p>Of course he's not a threat to Spider-man. No normal school kid is going to be a threat to Spider-man. He was a bully to Peter Parker, from before he became Spider-man.
<p>The challenge afterwards was dealing with him without blowing his secret identity or showing how the nerdy wimp Peter Parker was suddenly tougher than the jock.</p>
<p>I don't know what kind of real world you live, but in mine plenty of bullies run their mouths, or their fists, without getting their butts handed to them. The bully getting his comeuppance when the protagonist finally stands up to him seems more of Hollywood thing to me. </blockquote><p>also, this.thejeff wrote:The Thing From Another World wrote:I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.
Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In...Freehold DM2017-10-31T18:08:09ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingFreehold DMhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2822017-11-08T22:13:15Z2017-10-31T18:03:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Thing From Another World wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.</p>
<p>Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real world Flash would get his butt handed to him. </blockquote><p>Again, as someone who went to a school like this IRL, a comic book flash bully would NOT WORK in this enviornment.
<p>He made a lot of sense in the movie as is. And I watched it with my best friend who went to the same school as I did, he wholeheartedly agreed.</p>The Thing From Another World wrote:I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.
Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real...Freehold DM2017-10-31T18:03:15ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingFreehold DMhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2812017-10-31T18:11:31Z2017-10-31T18:00:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GreenDragon1133 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Just finished watching this on disc.</p>
<p>They made Eugene Thompson part of the academic decathlon team, a social bully, and DJ Flash. Because Midtown Science and Technology School doesn't have a sports team.</p>
<p>So why do they have:
<br />
1) a football field?
<br />
2) a school mascot?
<br />
3) cheerleaders? </blockquote><p>As someone who went to a high school kinda sorta like this in Brooklyn, you'd be surprised just how much stuff is handed down to a school just 'cuz.
<p>MURROW FOREVER WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO UNDEFEATED CHESS TEAM</p>GreenDragon1133 wrote:Just finished watching this on disc.
They made Eugene Thompson part of the academic decathlon team, a social bully, and DJ Flash. Because Midtown Science and Technology School doesn't have a sports team.
So why do they have:
1) a football field?
2) a school mascot?
3) cheerleaders?
As someone who went to a high school kinda sorta like this in Brooklyn, you'd be surprised just how much stuff is handed down to a school just 'cuz. MURROW FOREVER WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...Freehold DM2017-10-31T18:00:37ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man Homecomingthejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2802017-11-01T12:44:50Z2017-10-31T15:32:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Thing From Another World wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.</p>
<p>Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real world Flash would get his butt handed to him. </blockquote><p>Of course he's not a threat to Spider-man. No normal school kid is going to be a threat to Spider-man. He was a bully to Peter Parker, from before he became Spider-man.
<p>The challenge afterwards was dealing with him without blowing his secret identity or showing how the nerdy wimp Peter Parker was suddenly tougher than the jock.</p>
<p>I don't know what kind of real world you live, but in mine plenty of bullies run their mouths, or their fists, without getting their butts handed to them. The bully getting his comeuppance when the protagonist finally stands up to him seems more of Hollywood thing to me.</p>The Thing From Another World wrote:I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.
Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real...thejeff2017-10-31T15:32:02ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingVidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2792017-10-31T08:54:55Z2017-10-31T08:54:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Milo v3 wrote:</div><blockquote> Homecoming was the first movie to have flash act like he did in the comics. Flash in the comics bullied Peter verbally, not physically. </blockquote><p>Depends on how far back you go. At one point their was a certain boxing match and flash got kncoked silly and after that he kept with the verbal abuse and cut out the physical (scared him one would imagine.)Milo v3 wrote:Homecoming was the first movie to have flash act like he did in the comics. Flash in the comics bullied Peter verbally, not physically.
Depends on how far back you go. At one point their was a certain boxing match and flash got kncoked silly and after that he kept with the verbal abuse and cut out the physical (scared him one would imagine.)Vidmaster72017-10-31T08:54:55ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingMilo v3https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2782017-11-01T12:44:11Z2017-10-31T08:41:47Z<p>Homecoming was the first movie to have flash act like he did in the comics. Flash in the comics bullied Peter verbally, not physically.</p>Homecoming was the first movie to have flash act like he did in the comics. Flash in the comics bullied Peter verbally, not physically.Milo v32017-10-31T08:41:47ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingGreenDragon1133https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2772017-11-02T01:18:02Z2017-10-31T08:21:32Z<p>Michelle was a more effective bully than Eugene/Flash.</p>Michelle was a more effective bully than Eugene/Flash.GreenDragon11332017-10-31T08:21:32ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingThe Thing From Another Worldhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2762017-10-31T04:21:23Z2017-10-31T04:15:59Z<p>I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.</p>
<p>Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real world Flash would get his butt handed to him.</p>I'm not disputing that. Once again nothing against the actor portraying Flash. Yet I found him as intimidating as a bowl of ostmeal imo. Nothing that realistically makes him a threat in anyway, shape or form towards Peter Parker. Here is a guy who fights the Vulture and other supervillians. Compared to that the current version of Flash is a joke.
Unlike Hollywood movies. Where people who run their mouths never face any kind of repercussion. In the real world Flash would get his butt handed...The Thing From Another World2017-10-31T04:15:59ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingThomas Seitzhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2752017-10-31T02:10:38Z2017-10-31T02:07:31Z<p>Not every Flash Thompson will be the dickish kind.</p>Not every Flash Thompson will be the dickish kind.Thomas Seitz2017-10-31T02:07:31ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingThe Thing From Another Worldhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2742017-10-31T00:02:56Z2017-10-30T23:59:40Z<p>Having watched it a second time. I too agree with Green Dragon. I still find the Flash in this version a absolute laughable joke as a bully. Everytime the character showed up on the TV my buddies and myself had to restrain ourselves from laughing. The actor portraying the character did the brst with what he was given in terms of script. Yet Flash felt more like the spoiled rich kid who can't understand why Peter was better than him as a person on do many levels.</p>Having watched it a second time. I too agree with Green Dragon. I still find the Flash in this version a absolute laughable joke as a bully. Everytime the character showed up on the TV my buddies and myself had to restrain ourselves from laughing. The actor portraying the character did the brst with what he was given in terms of script. Yet Flash felt more like the spoiled rich kid who can't understand why Peter was better than him as a person on do many levels.The Thing From Another World2017-10-30T23:59:40ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingBenchak the Nightstalker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2732017-11-08T22:12:00Z2017-10-30T17:33:09Z<p>IIRC, it's really only the Academic Decathalon team that regularly sided with Pete over Flash—probably because Peter has actually contributed to the team whereas Flash has just been coasting on the success of the others. </p>
<p>That seems to be what's really driving Flash's bullying in the new film. Flash is not as smart as he thinks he is (see the physics question at the beginning, or how he takes credit for the championship win despite not answering a single question). He can't admit that, so he needs to blame someone for "making him look dumb". Peter is the obvious target, since he makes the brainy stuff look so effortless.</p>
<p>If Flash looks weak in the film, it's only because by focusing on specific parts of Peter's life we mostly see Flash when he's out of his element. It's clear that, outside the Academic Decathalon club, Flash is broadly popular.</p>IIRC, it's really only the Academic Decathalon team that regularly sided with Pete over Flash--probably because Peter has actually contributed to the team whereas Flash has just been coasting on the success of the others.
That seems to be what's really driving Flash's bullying in the new film. Flash is not as smart as he thinks he is (see the physics question at the beginning, or how he takes credit for the championship win despite not answering a single question). He can't admit that, so he...Benchak the Nightstalker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8)2017-10-30T17:33:09ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingVidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2722017-10-30T09:41:56Z2017-10-30T09:41:56Z<p>Well Its kind of a weird thought but to make flash seem weaker simultaneously makes peter seem weaker. Rated against your "enemies" I suppose. Kind of like how they spent so much time making hammer into a putz in iron man 2 made him seem so less threatening. Flash being a joke and still bullying peter makes peter look weaker as well. You could probably attribute it somewhat to this being after peter is already spider man and has his confidence improved. (I mean he was on the avengers that has got to boost it.) </p>
<p>Plus Some people might be fans of the new(ish) venom which is flash and They make the character into a joke.</p>Well Its kind of a weird thought but to make flash seem weaker simultaneously makes peter seem weaker. Rated against your "enemies" I suppose. Kind of like how they spent so much time making hammer into a putz in iron man 2 made him seem so less threatening. Flash being a joke and still bullying peter makes peter look weaker as well. You could probably attribute it somewhat to this being after peter is already spider man and has his confidence improved. (I mean he was on the avengers that has...Vidmaster72017-10-30T09:41:56ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingRyskyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2712017-11-01T12:39:51Z2017-10-30T09:29:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">GreenDragon1133 wrote:</div><blockquote> The character fell flat because he wasn't credible as a bully. </blockquote>That’s an assumption you are having. </blockquote><p>I agree with GreenDragon. As a bully he fell flat, because multiple times he tried to put Parker down, and multiple people around them sided with Parker. The only time that Flash really seemed to be the more popular kid was at the party. In school though he seemed pretty powerless.
<p>He seemed less like a bully, and more how we wish the world would view bullies: impotent and desperate for attention. </blockquote><p>Yeah, and?Irontruth wrote:Rysky wrote: GreenDragon1133 wrote: The character fell flat because he wasn't credible as a bully.
That’s an assumption you are having. I agree with GreenDragon. As a bully he fell flat, because multiple times he tried to put Parker down, and multiple people around them sided with Parker. The only time that Flash really seemed to be the more popular kid was at the party. In school though he seemed pretty powerless. He seemed less like a bully, and more how we wish the world...Rysky2017-10-30T09:29:56ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingIrontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2702017-10-30T07:03:22Z2017-10-30T06:34:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">GreenDragon1133 wrote:</div><blockquote> The character fell flat because he wasn't credible as a bully. </blockquote>That’s an assumption you are having. </blockquote><p>I agree with GreenDragon. As a bully he fell flat, because multiple times he tried to put Parker down, and multiple people around them sided with Parker. The only time that Flash really seemed to be the more popular kid was at the party. In school though he seemed pretty powerless.
<p>He seemed less like a bully, and more how we wish the world would view bullies: impotent and desperate for attention.</p>Rysky wrote:GreenDragon1133 wrote: The character fell flat because he wasn't credible as a bully.
That’s an assumption you are having. I agree with GreenDragon. As a bully he fell flat, because multiple times he tried to put Parker down, and multiple people around them sided with Parker. The only time that Flash really seemed to be the more popular kid was at the party. In school though he seemed pretty powerless. He seemed less like a bully, and more how we wish the world would view...Irontruth2017-10-30T06:34:10ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man HomecomingHamahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2692017-10-29T22:25:18Z2017-10-29T13:10:17Z<p>It's a school for smart kids. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that social bullying is much much more prominent than physical.</p>It's a school for smart kids. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that social bullying is much much more prominent than physical.Hama2017-10-29T13:10:17ZRe: Forums: Movies: Spider-Man Homecomingcaptain yesterdayhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u29h&page=6?SpiderMan-Homecoming#2682017-11-08T22:10:45Z2017-10-29T13:08:31Z<p>I really liked how they handled Flash.</p>I really liked how they handled Flash.captain yesterday2017-10-29T13:08:31Z