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Secret identities make sense when hiding your true name from villains, not from your loved ones and friends. That is just being kind of a dick. I love Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for this- his family and friends all know that he is Blue Beetle and support him, while of course being worried. That creates healthy relationship between family, not one based on lies and covering up the danger you are going in to.
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Secret identities make sense when hiding your true name from villains, not from your loved ones and friends. That is just being kind of a dick. I love Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle for this- his family and friends all know that he is Blue Beetle and support him, while of course being worried. That creates healthy relationship between family, not one based on lies and covering up the danger you are going in to.And yet...
Especially as a teen, like when Spider-man started, telling your family is likely to get you shut down, grounded and kept from doing what you feel is your responsibility. If they do support you, that's great, but if they don't, then what?
Beyond close family, who do you tell and when? Friends change and drift apart. Lovers may come and go. How soon do you trust them with the secret? How many people know before someone spills it and everyone knows?
I can see it either way. I'm glad comics have examples of both. And of those open to the world.
And having open identities makes sense for some. Tony Stark can afford it because he's got the tech and the savvy to protect those he loves even when he's not around (well, theoretically). Steve Rogers can do it because he doesn't have any family anymore, though love interests may come and go. Banner is as much a threat to his friends and family as any villain depending on the situation, so if people know about him, whatever! Thor is the son of a Norse god (and one himself), so sure people know him!
Spider-man doesn't have that luxury. If he's out and about on the town, May is screwed when someone decides to take her out to get at him. Villains that know what they're doing will attract someone like Spider-man to their capers--if they are capable--can make putting Parker's family in harm's way part of the plan, as we've seen on numerous occasions, and this can be a detriment to his ability to stop the villain. Secret identities have their place, and can be necessary for certain types of super hero.
Obviously, I agree with thejeff on many points, as I spelled out above.
Also, Hsui, you can call this a reboot if you wish, though there's no origin story here except with a few lines in the film, but what this film really does is bring Spider-man into the MCU, which I am absolutely glad they did! Civil War started the process, and this is a logical continuation from that. As Spider-man is my favorite MC super hero, I'm excited they finally brought him in (and thanks to Sony for allowing it!), and that they found an actor capable of playing both the Spider-man and Peter Parker roles convincingly!
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"Thor, I am holding your father hostage. Surrender yourself or.. wait. Why are you laughing...Oh gods.. my spleen!
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I know people who go to see Shakespeare's Macbeth every year. However, regardless of how much I like the play, I hit my limit after a couple of years. Similarly, I have hit my limit on the seemingly never-ending tri-annual reboot of Spiderman.
I understand the sentiment, but if you are a fan of the character, you're doing yourself a disservice. This is the first film to get both Spider-man and Peter Parker right. As Spider-Man, he has all of the humor and wordplay that Spidey has in a fight, and as Peter Parker he is the brilliant kid that puts up with high school bullying that he could easily stop if he fought because he knows he would be crossing a line if he did. Being part of the MCU really helps the film, and makes the entire story be part of a bigger world.
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I like the fact that MJ is now being played like Ally Sheedy from the Breakfast Club. She's weird. And I love weirdo love interests.
Anyways, did anyone else think she was stalking and teasing Peter the whole film because she secretly likes him? The whole thing reminded me of Hey, Arnold.
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I probably won't see the movie for another month or so, but I'm pretty thoroughly spoiled. Glad to hear confirmation that Glover likely has an important part to play in the sequels.
I loved this film too, though not so much Karen. Disliked that whole aspect of the suit.
From the previews, the whole computerized "Iron Spider" suit seemed too much, but maybe that was the writers'/Marvel's intent. I love that the voice of the suit is Jennifer Connelly, who is married in real life to Paul Bettany, the voice of Stark's J.A.R.V.I.S./Vision. Although it would have to be pretty weird for a superhormonal high school student running around in skintight skivvies to constantly hear Connelly watching over you.
Not to mention the whole mask thingYou think they would actually make it harder to pull off the mask or have a spare one underneath just in case. Still beats Superman imo. Somehow glasses and a suit are a 1000% effective disguise.
I dunno... :)
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The most important point of introducing the initials "MJ" is that it prevents us from taking for granted whatever we think we know about Spiderman's future love life.
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Fiege has absolutely denied that Michelle and Mary Jane are the same character, so who knows what the hell is going to happen with this plotline...
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I really enjoyed the movie.
Loved Vulture as a villain, probably the most reasonable Marvel villain yet. Believable in actions, motivation, and thought processes.
Flash as a trivia team member? Not quite the jock we're used to. Still a bullying jerk, of course.
Is it just me, or does this version of Spider-Man completely lack a "Spider Sense"? Not complaining per say. Spiders don't seem to have any special danger sense in my experience anyway.
The mix of skin colors felt way more real NYC than the usual whitewash.
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Other incarnations have played up the spidersense so they weren't focusing on it this time
He mentioned in civil war that his sense got dialed up to 11 and he wears goggles to tone it down: ie, he can't handle the info the spidersense gives him so he's deliberately blocking it out instead of trying to interpret it. (gives him room to grow)
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What I liked best was the problems spidey had in the suburbs where there are not enough tall buildings to swing from.
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I would say I think it is the best Spider-Man movie so far.
Agreed.
The Vulture was cool visually, dangerous, intelligent, not an entirely unsympathetic character, and here's the real kicker, unlike so many Marvel villains they've dusted off for the movies (especially solo movies), his powerset isn't fundamentally the same as the hero's. I also appreciated that he had some standards of behavior while still being a bad guy.
I expected to dread the high school bits... they were actually pretty good.
Lots of laughs, and less in a quippy way than in an, "I thought that was the anti-gravity gun" way.
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Since Toomes flat out said he was
Each perceived debt gave Peter a one-shot pass; Toomes will not feel that he owes anything now.
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The only thing I find weird is that Peter didn't have his "spidey senses".
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He does, it's just not highlighted like in the previous films (e.g. no spider sense noise, no bullet time)
This was a filmmaking choice, to distinguish it from the previous Spidey movies. They've said they may develop it more in future movies, but for now they wanted to keep it internal and reflexive and not make a big show of it on the screen.
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Exactly.
Remember in Civil War, Peter specifically told Tony that he wore those goggles becasue ever since what happened to him, his senses are dialed up to 11 - the goggles help him focus.
The decision was made to not highlight every time he "used" his spider sense - instead, every time he reacts incredibly quickly to danger etc, it's partially becasue of his spider senses.
I actually like that approach
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Yeah....I assumed his spider senses were still there....otherwise he would have been toast on more than a few occasions in that movie.
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I too was kind of glad they choose not to use a special effect for the Spider Sense. It's one of those things that is easy to replicate in a comic not so much in a movie imo.
Flash Thompson as a bully is about as effective as trying to use a brown paper bag that was left in water for two weeks to carry something heavy. The character had no physical presence imo and came across as a weasel. Who the hell is afraid of a weasel at least in the previous movie versions the choose a actor who was intimidating both verbally and physically. Nothing personal against the actor but he had the verbal aspect down the physical not so much.
In my younger days I saw a few like that in schoolyards in high school and elementary and unless they could back it up on physical level they were not intimidating anybody. One of three things happened in this order a) people laughed at them b) not only did people laugh at them it was the kind of rolling on the floor, crying, can't breath laughing followed by c) they got beat up. People don't like that kind of verbal abuse and will show their displeasure in one form or another. Either through violence or simply ignoring the person. To the point of almost total isolation. A friend before he moved away I had to defend once, twice then I gave him a warning to stop because I was not going to protect him a third time. His response was "can't, won't stop" and next fight he was on his own. Eventually he stopped because he got tired of getting beaten up.
Makes me wonder if the director even had or has a clue as to what true bullying is really about. It's not just verbal it's also physical and usual both. Spider-Man is verbally intimidated by the character in the movie because the script calls for it. I really do hope that is not what passes for bullying today in schools because if it is man am I worried for the current generation in schools. As they will be ripped apart once they get to the job market. Many people in charge like to abuse their power and are pretty vocal about it. Sometimes to a very rude and insulting degree. If they can't cope they won't be on the job for long.
It's still a very good though flawed movie. I recommend watching it and give it a 8/10
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They just don't make bullys like they used to
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Don't get me wrong I don't like bullying in any shape or form. Compared to what I saw growing and being lucky enough to be big for my age and willing to defend myself. Bullies used both their size, brawn and verbal abuse to intimidate someone. Nothing against the actor just a terrible script imo. Every time the actor was on screen I had to stop myself from laughing out loud. While thinking "that..that's the guy who is intimidating Spider-man what a joke".
Now if it's less intimidation and more Peter Parker being the better man it's one thing. Otherwise someone who can life a whole row of lockers with one hand is not going to be in any way shape or form intimidated by the current version of Flash Thompson.
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As for why Vulture does what he does:
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Also, again, other incarnations of spiderman have shown spiderman getting picked on by flash thompson. No need to go over it again. Just because we didn't see flash doing it doesn't mean he doesn't.
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I FINALLY got to see it today and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It had flaws and I can't name it as the "BEST EVER!!!" but I liked it a lot.
What I loved... VULTURE!!
Now, I have found the vulture to be one of the most boring spidey villains in the history of Spidey villains... and that includes a LOT of his pathetic Z-listers... But MAN!!! Keaton NAILED this. I now think that Vulture was the best villain in a SPider-man movie yet!!
Now... I still love both Spider-man 2 and Amazing Spider-man 2 a little more than this one.. but the thing I loved about Vulture... He wasn't conflicted. Green Goblin was insane and both he AND Doctor Octopus were 'GENERALLY okay guys who were involved in a Jekyll and Hyde thing that wasn't REALLLLY their fault.
Vulture? He knows what he's doing... he knows why he's doing it. He weighed the pros and cons and says he's fine with it. He has a bit of a code... but for the most part he's a thief and an arms dealer and hes' fine with that. Someone crosses him, He'll kill them. No tears, no grey morality.
THAT was REALLY refreshing. He saved Vulture's life, but didn't redeem his soul or anything. Vulture won't show up in some Sinister Six movie suddenly as the 'good guy'.
Also, the wing effects??? I wish Archangel had been that cool with HIS razor sharp wings!
Things I didn't like:
Spider-man kind of sucked at being Spider-Man. I can accept it as kind of a reboot thing even though I didn't like it... but it REALLY bugged my dad. This Spider-man is NOT a rookie. This is not McGuire standing on the edge of a building yelling Shazam trying get the webs to work. This was Spider-man (even accounting for the wacky timeline) that had been Spider-man for XXX months before Stark approached him... and XXX after Civil War just doing his Spider-man thing. He kicked serious BUTT in Civil War, yet it seemed like in almost EVERY scene he was having trouble climbing a wall or landing from a web sling or crashing through a shed or a fence or a car...
I just played ASM 2 on Xbox 360 and I wasn't a fan of those controls... I was constantly slamming into skyscrapers... but MAN in a show like this?? I really expected better.
Add in the Stark Tech and it really started to get the feeling like that suit would be better fighting crime without him in it. Too many gadgets... too much reliability on Stark, and zero proficiency in the stuff he does have... I don't know, It didn't REALLY feel like Spider-man.
One of the best parts... even if illogical... was that Peter wasn't ever dependent on anyone. He sewed his own costume, designed his own fluid, built his own spider-tracers.. and then it was all heart and muscle that saved the day. This one... I don't know. It's like they WANTED to say he didn't need the suit, then at the end gave it back to him... So I don't know. At least he didn't go iron-spider, current costume looks a lot more classic than that. Though still not as classic as ASM 2...
Good point except unless the superhero friend(s)/family are complete and utter idiots eventually they will notice something is wrong. Sure the chaos of a fight between supervillain and superhero may disguise the superhero disappearance once, twice maybe three times. After a certain point it becomes noticeable. Even then it all depends on how often the hero gets involved. If he stays under the radar trying to keep his identity secret it works. If the character does what they do in movies and comics almost always get involved that secret identity stays secret only by the grace of writers in comics and the script in a movie.
It's not a skewed viewpoint it's a realistic one. Being a superhero in comics and movies is a dangerous job. With injuries how many times can one explain a injury away before it becomes again the writers making other characters stupid in comics and the script calls for the same. The character always disappears at the strangest of times and always when villain XYZ shows up. One can only rely on conicidence only so many times. Even then in movies and comics they don't even try and disguise the general look of their body or even their voice.
After all That only works if clueless friend/family member is in another place or city. If Peter Parker is with a friend or family member and whenever a villain shows up and he disappears eventually a person takes notice. He disappears once, twice, three times or more. Then suddenly comes out of "hiding" when the villain runs off and grts captured and as soon as Peter appears Spider-man is nowhere to be seen. As I said unless a person is a complete idiot it's noticeable after awhile. Espcially if Peter Parker is not injured and suddenly reappears with a limp and a bruise after the fight.
I disagree. Peter parker may not be around when Spider-man is... but you know who else isn't? MJ's Dad, Flasn's underclassman brother, The Principal of the school.... I've never been around when the Plumber or the Cable guy is... Nobody assumes that I HAVE to be the plumber!
The real question has never been 'Why has nobody ever suspected?' The real question is 'How many times do I need to prove you WRONG before you before you accept that Peter is NOT Spider-man?! Between Robots and Clones there have absolutely been times when Spider-man and Peter were in the same room at the same time. That alone should negate every accusation for the rest of history. Daredevil and Spider-man have switched costumes for Alibis before too...
The fact that they can say "PEter... where were YOU when Spider-Man was here...' and he can produce a photograph of Spider-man fighting Doc Ock and say "I was doing my job!! Check out these shots!!'
Spider-man whose costume does nothing to hide his overall body type and voice gets a free pass on that because the people around him are portrayed as complete idiots to his secret identity. Like I said in my spoiler above not everyone is a complete idiot.
Yeah it does... The only thing that costume doesn't hide is his height. That costume has always been portrayed as form fitting and showing off the muscles.... and even the girls who secretly had a crush on puny parker never would have connected him with the greek Adonis swinging around.
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Yeah....I assumed his spider senses were still there....otherwise he would have been toast on more than a few occasions in that movie.
Yeah, that was another issue for me. In the comics it's been numerously stated that the Spider-sense warns him if anyone's watching him. Yet he REPEATEDLY got snuck up on...
I know they say that they'll do more next time, but... I'm having a hard time correlating that with what we've seen here.
Regarding keeping your identity secret from family and friends:
Three men can keep a secret if two are dead.
Exactly.
People as a rule are pretty stupid... and can't really BE trusted with a secret like that. First thing Ned says... 'I can't keep that secret, I gotta tell someone!!" Then almost immediately pushes Peter under the bus... AND that little 'spidey's buddy' thing is what exposed him to the Vulture!!
How did Ben Urich solve that Matt Murdock was Daredevil in the first place? Big Fight with... the Hulk I believe and his then girlfriend Heather shouted out in the crowd 'MATT!!" After he got brutally clobbered. Kingpin found because Karen sold it for some Heroin...
Secrets are a responsibility... and friends and family didn't sign up for that, haven't spent years practicing in thinking of Spider-man in the 3rd-person, and can't really be counted on in a crisis. Sometimes someone will surprise you, but really... How many girlfriends and friends has Spidey or Daredevil or Batman had that have become estranged or even enemies??
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I must say, I actually really liked this version of Flash Thompson. Because no one actually likes bullies. Not today. 21 Jump Street lampshaded this perfectly, where the jock & bully was now just an outcast, shunned by the cool people. Flash bullied Peter yes, but just in verbal/social ways. I know a tons of bullies like that. Ones that never raise their fists, but can make you feel like s$#~ at the end of the day. I've had bullies like that. Flash was also "cool" in a high school kind a way. He dressed good, had a car, was clearly a hard worker and tried being a good student. We never actually saw if he was, but you don't get to the decathlon team by being dumb.
And the fact was that there still were people- beside Peter & Ned- who seemed to dislike Flash as well, like most of the decathlon team. But then the party people seemed to be fine with his lame jokes and constant pissing on Peter. Because they see it just as a jest, and Flash is really good at turning the people against Peter since, well, Peter is kinda untrustworthy. And people don't like that either.
Bottom line; I think Jon Watts was kinda saying in the movie: bullies are idiots, and you are not supposed to like them. It's not subtle, but for me that was enough.
IIRC, They changed Flash's bully persona because in this movie, Parker and friends all attend some sort of academy for gifted students. In that environment, the "dumb jock" bully I don't think really makes sense.
IF I was going to rank Spiderman movies, I would do the following (excluding Civil War where he is really just a cameo)
from Best to worst:
Spiderman: Homecoming
Spiderman 2 (almost tied with best)
Spiderman 1
Amazing Spiderman
Amazing Spiderman 2
Spiderman 3 (emo dance scene and surrounding stuff puts it as worst...if that wasn't there it would probably be 4th?)
I disagree. Peter parker may not be around when Spider-man is... but you know who else isn't? MJ's Dad, Flasn's underclassman brother, The Principal of the school.... I've never been around when the Plumber or the Cable guy is... Nobody assumes that I HAVE to be the plumber!
The problem some here keep forgetting is that unlike Tony Stark who can because of his technology actually be in two places at once. Sure every so often the Plumber in your example may never have any witness around when he changes into his superhero alter ego. Yet in comics and movies he always seems to be around people he knows. The Plumber might be able to mae a excuse for his disappearence once or twice. Consistently disappearing and then Spider-man appears and no one notices is the writers making those around him act like idiots in comics. In movies it's the script that does the same.
The real question has never been 'Why has nobody ever suspected?' The real question is 'How many times do I need to prove you WRONG before you before you accept that Peter is NOT Spider-man?! Between Robots and Clones there have absolutely been times when Spider-man and Peter were in the same room at the same time. That alone should negate every accusation for the rest of history. Daredevil and Spider-man have switched costumes for Alibis before too...
Those few times are few and far between imo. Half a dozen times when Peter Parker and whatever person they use to impersonate Spider-man in the same room versus the dozens of times he disappears and Spider-man appears is the writers/script suddenly making those around him like idiots. Don't get me started on all the times he was injured and given how the media and cellphones would record everything. Spider-man gets his arm broken. One minute Peter Parker is fine the next his arm is broken. when it starts happening on a fairly common basis yet somehow no one notices.
The fact that they can say "PEter... where were YOU when Spider-Man was here...' and he can produce a photograph of Spider-man fighting Doc Ock and say "I was doing my job!! Check out these shots!!'
Again their is a limit to the amount of times he can hide behind that as a reason and those around him believeing him before they come across as idiots. Like I said above how many times can he explain away injuries. It might make sense if he was a soilder in a war zone. A reporter that constantly keeps getting injured is either very brave or not very good at his job imo. I don't hate the concept of a secret identity but no one is going to convince that for it to work like it. It involves those around a superhero character to be clueless.
Yeah it does... The only thing that costume doesn't hide is his height. That costume has always been portrayed as form fitting and showing off the muscles.... and even the girls who secretly had a crush on puny parker never would have connected him with the greek Adonis swinging around.
It does not hide his voice. He still sounds like Peter Parker. It's how the Vulture was able to figure out it was Peter Parker. We even have a scene where his upgraded suit even tries to hide his voice. That's one thing I never liked in comics " I will wear a costume that hides my face yet change nothing else about myself yet somehow no on notices it's me" trope.
Also, again, other incarnations of spiderman have shown spiderman getting picked on by flash thompson. No need to go over it again. Just because we didn't see flash doing it doesn't mean he doesn't.
Good point yet he came off as a wealthy loser as unintimidating as can be. The dialogue given to the actor imo made he seem less like a bully and more like the person who tries too hard to fit and seem cool. I'm sorry again that is not intimidating to me.
I must say, I actually really liked this version of Flash Thompson. Because no one actually likes bullies. Not today. 21 Jump Street lampshaded this perfectly, where the jock & bully was now just an outcast, shunned by the cool people. Flash bullied Peter yes, but just in verbal/social ways. I know a tons of bullies like that. Ones that never raise their fists, but can make you feel like s$#! at the end of the day. I've had bullies like that. Flash was also "cool" in a high school kind a way. He dressed good, had a car, was clearly a hard worker and tried being a good student. We never actually saw if he was, but you don't get to the decathlon team by being dumb.
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I don't hate the actor I just found the script they gave him to make the character as unintimidating as possible imo. I went through a "too nice guy" phase where my so called "friends" because I was nice decided that it would be a good idea to pick on me. I never and will never understand the teenage mind sometime. Having to persudade a few by getting into fights with them as telling them to stop was not working. Having gone through that what the character of Flash Thompson said to Peter Parker that's not intimidation or bullying. At most the character was annoying. if that was passes for bullying now good luck to the current generation going to school when they hit the workforce.
And the fact was that there still were people- beside Peter & Ned- who seemed to dislike Flash as well, like most of the decathlon team. But then the party people seemed to be fine with his lame jokes and constant pissing on Peter. Because they see it just as a jest, and Flash is really good at turning the people against Peter since, well, Peter is kinda untrustworthy. And people don't like that either.
Their fine with Flash behavior because the script calls for them to be fine with it. Just like their not that bothered with Peter Parker disappearences at the last minute. I and others had to deal with many a Flash Thompson from the movie in my younger yeats and no liked them most of the time. At most they were considered the class clown. At worst the class loser. Intimidating they were not. Many times got into fights because they never could stop running their mouths.
Bottom line; I think Jon Watts was kinda saying in the movie: bullies are idiots, and you are not supposed to like them. It's not subtle, but for me that was enough.
Typical Hollywood removed from real life behavior. Easier said then done imo. It's bad enough to have a verbal bully usually it's also mixed with physical abuse as well. Calling them idiots and ignoring them and making fun of them only works in movies and after school specials.
IIRC, They changed Flash's bully persona because in this movie, Parker and friends all attend some sort of academy for gifted students. In that environment, the "dumb jock" bully I don't think really makes sense.
Most of the so called "dumb jocks" are not so dumb anymore. I actually would have preferred to see a jock in the role. With everyone else assuming he was stupid. When instead really smart. At the very least it would explain why the character acts up and makes fun of Peter Parker. I don't get why he hates Peter Parker in the movie. Smart, popular, from the looks of it wealthy or at least has wealthy parents and slight less smarter than Peter. The guy has it all or almost.
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Point is that Peter is allowing Flash to bully him. He could snap him like a twig. He's the better man.
Edit: He hates Peter because Peter is smarter and despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness, he's granted the top spot on the decathlon and Flash is there as a backup, and all he had to say was "i wanna do it". Flash is decidedly not as smart as Pete (he got a lot of answers wrong, and peter didn't and he wasn't even trying to pay attention). He's jealous. Plus he's probably into Lisa and she only has eyes for Pete.
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I too was kind of glad they choose not to use a special effect for the Spider Sense. It's one of those things that is easy to replicate in a comic not so much in a movie imo.
Flash Thompson as a bully is about as effective as trying to use a brown paper bag that was left in water for two weeks to carry something heavy. The character had no physical presence imo and came across as a weasel. Who the hell is afraid of a weasel at least in the previous movie versions the choose a actor who was intimidating both verbally and physically. Nothing personal against the actor but he had the verbal aspect down the physical not so much.
In my younger days I saw a few like that in schoolyards in high school and elementary and unless they could back it up on physical level they were not intimidating anybody. One of three things happened in this order a) people laughed at them b) not only did people laugh at them it was the kind of rolling on the floor, crying, can't breath laughing followed by c) they got beat up. People don't like that kind of verbal abuse and will show their displeasure in one form or another. Either through violence or simply ignoring the person. To the point of almost total isolation. A friend before he moved away I had to defend once, twice then I gave him a warning to stop because I was not going to protect him a third time. His response was "can't, won't stop" and next fight he was on his own. Eventually he stopped because he got tired of getting beaten up.
Makes me wonder if the director even had or has a clue as to what true bullying is really about. It's not just verbal it's also physical and usual both. Spider-Man is verbally intimidated by the character in the movie because the script calls for it. I really do hope that is not what passes for bullying today in schools because if it is man am I worried for the current generation in schools. As they will be ripped apart once they get to the job market. Many people in charge like to abuse their power and are pretty vocal about it....
more than one way to be a bully.
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Also, again, other incarnations of spiderman have shown spiderman getting picked on by flash thompson. No need to go over it again. Just because we didn't see flash doing it doesn't mean he doesn't.Good point yet he came off as a wealthy loser as unintimidating as can be. The dialogue given to the actor imo made he seem less like a bully and more like the person who tries too hard to fit and seem cool. I'm sorry again that is not intimidating to me.
I must say, I actually really liked this version of Flash Thompson. Because no one actually likes bullies. Not today. 21 Jump Street lampshaded this perfectly, where the jock & bully was now just an outcast, shunned by the cool people. Flash bullied Peter yes, but just in verbal/social ways. I know a tons of bullies like that. Ones that never raise their fists, but can make you feel like s$#! at the end of the day. I've had bullies like that. Flash was also "cool" in a high school kind a way. He dressed good, had a car, was clearly a hard worker and tried being a good student. We never actually saw if he was, but you don't get to the decathlon team by being dumb.
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I don't hate the actor I just found the script they gave him to make the character as unintimidating as possible imo. I went through a "too nice guy" phase where my so called "friends" because I was nice decided that it would be a good idea to pick on me. I never and will never understand the teenage mind sometime. Having to persudade a few by getting into fights with them as telling them to stop was not working. Having gone through that what the character of Flash Thompson said to Peter Parker that's not intimidation or bullying. At most the character was annoying. if that was passes for bullying now good luck to the current generation going to school when they hit the workforce.
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And the fact was that there still were people- beside Peter & Ned- who seemed to dislike Flash as well, like most of
did they turn down your spider man homecoming script or something?
Point is that Peter is allowing Flash to bully him. He could snap him like a twig. He's the better man.
I agree he does not fear him so much as being the better.
Edit: He hates Peter because Peter is smarter and despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness, he's granted the top spot on the decathlon and Flash is there as a backup, and all he had to say was "i wanna do it". Flash is decidedly not as smart as Pete (he got a lot of answers wrong, and peter didn't and he wasn't even trying to pay attention). He's jealous. Plus he's probably into Lisa and she only has eyes for Pete.
I do admit that is another part of the movie I did not like. Peter Parker despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness get's a free pass because of it. Then again the script calls for him to get a free pass so no surprise.
did they turn down your spider man homecoming script or something?
Why do you care so much that I dislike some aspects of the movie. I have not told anyone here or elsewhere not to go see it. I gave it a good score a 8/10 despite what I feel were flaws. I know it's a very hard concept for some here to understand. Not everyone has the exact opinion like you do on a topic. Either respect that or move along and don't waste other people time. I'm not apologizing for how I feel about the movie.
Edit: He hates Peter because Peter is smarter and despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness, he's granted the top spot on the decathlon and Flash is there as a backup, and all he had to say was "i wanna do it". Flash is decidedly not as smart as Pete (he got a lot of answers wrong, and peter didn't and he wasn't even trying to pay attention). He's jealous. Plus he's probably into Lisa and she only has eyes for Pete.
I do admit that is another part of the movie I did not like. Peter Parker despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness get's a free pass because of it. Then again the script calls for him to get a free pass so no surprise.
Y'know... this is another weird aspect of the show. Peter is obviously the top star of the genius crew. His value on the team outweighs any personal failings and gives kind of a prima donna feel to it...
Which frankly is what FLASH was supposed to be. Massive Jerk, but he scores touchdowns so is treated like hometown hero... THAT's the core of the Flash Thompson character... It's where the bullying came from... but now that's Peter's role and feels all kinds of weird.
Which I think is another problem I haven't settled with yet... What is Peter Parker doing in a fancy scientific High School in the first place?!? Since when do the Parker's have any kind of money?! Heck, the idea of taking pictures for the bugle part-time was to help his aunt pay the mortgage and not lose the house... now he's in a private school?
That seems a major misstep to me. Least of which, is that he's no longer the smartest guy in the room... he's a genius amongst geniuses... and that (combined with the stark tech) diminishes his acheivements.
Though as for 'no consequences', I was a little happy to see the principal going after him, detention, and the possibility of expulsion... SO it's not a COMPLETE free pass.
Which I think is another problem I haven't settled with yet... What is Peter Parker doing in a fancy scientific High School in the first place?!? Since when do the Parker's have any kind of money?! Heck, the idea of taking pictures for the bugle part-time was to help his aunt pay the mortgage and not lose the house... now he's in a private school?
Three theories imo.
Tony Stark wants to help Peter Parker out. For his help during Civil War and as a possible surrogate father. After all in the Iron Man movies Tony Stark father was a absentee father.
Second if they keep with Peter Parker parents being spies and they end up being murdered like they were in the comics. Maybe they left hims some money behind in the will
Third maybe Aunt May has a job. Possibly a decent paying one. After all this version is still able to work and not like the traditional one who was in aged 80-90s years old and in retirement.
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Since when do the Parker's have any kind of money?!
It's a magnet school. They're public.
Literal magnet school in the case of the STEM schools...
Since when do the Parker's have any kind of money?!It's a magnet school. They're public.
Literal magnet school in the case of the STEM schools...
That works :)
I liked it only one complaint
I didn't think flash was beefy or big enough in this one plus he was kind of cowardly. which usually hes stupidly brave when I see him depicted and more physically bullying then just name calling. was more of freinemies then anything.
I feel they couldn't pull off any physical bullying since peter was jacked from the get go in this one.
I liked it only one complaint
I didn't think flash was beefy or big enough in this one plus he was kind of cowardly. which usually hes stupidly brave when I see him depicted and more physically bullying then just name calling. was more of freinemies then anything.
I feel they couldn't pull off any physical bullying since peter was jacked from the get go in this one.
I don't see why not. Cartoons have been doing that for years. Peter gets a spidey-sense tingle, hears Flash behind him... let's out a sigh and then gets knocked down.
Peter being stronger was never issue. 99% of all his bullying shown was after he got his powers. It's pretty easy to show that he's letting it happen just to protect his identity and maintain the routine of what's been going on for years...
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Well yeah but im talking about flash's personality not peters. The fact that flash looks bigger and meaner then peter. whether its true or not.
He just came off as an irritant (or someone with a bizarre obsession) in this one more then a bully. I guess he came off as more jealous then anything I suppose. Then he just lets it go when I think about flash's action I would expect a shove against locker teen moment or sucker punch or some such. He was too passive I guess is what i'm trying to say.
Well yeah but im talking about flash's personality not peters. The fact that flash looks bigger and meaner then peter. whether its true or not.
He just came off as an irritant (or someone with a bizarre obsession) in this one more then a bully. I guess he came off as more jealous then anything I suppose. Then he just lets it go when I think about flash's action I would expect a shove against locker teen moment or sucker punch or some such. He was too passive I guess is what i'm trying to say.
Agreed on that!
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Flash is more socially adept, and had the entire class calling him names. It's a different kind of bullying, and it works
Flash is more socially adept, and had the entire class calling him names. It's a different kind of bullying, and it works
Yeah but I have a harder time imagining that guy becoming agent venom later. then the dumb jock who throws his weight around.
Yeah but I have a harder time imagining that guy becoming agent venom later. then the dumb jock who throws his weight around.
thats assuming this storyline goes that way. (and since venom had a turn with rami, it probably won't)
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thats assuming this storyline goes that way. (and since venom had a turn with rami, it probably won't)
Yeah but I have a harder time imagining that guy becoming agent venom later. then the dumb jock who throws his weight around.
Yeah raimi kind of ruined that pretty good. However I still say eric foreman did the best job of any of them on that movie.