Is elven accuracy better than improved precise shot ?

[Yorkblack]

Hello everyone !
I recently discovered the feat "elven accuracy", which says "Benefit: If you miss due to concealment when making a ranged attack with a longbow or shortbow (including composite bows), you can reroll your miss chance roll one time to see if you actually hit."
What does miss due to concealment mean exactly ? Can I reroll any miss if the target has concealment, or only those I miss by less than the concealment value ? If it's the former it would be pretty overpowered, but the latter is quite strange imo. So how does it work exactly ?
Thank you !

[Lady-J]

concealment is a flat % chance any attack on the target will miss. say the target has 50% concealment you roll a D100 and a result of 1-50 is a miss a result of 51-100 is a chance of hitting(you still have to hit vs the target ac) so while elven accuracy can be good IPS is still better as it does far far more

[Scythia]

It's Blind Fighting for bows. If the percent roll miss chance doesn't go in your favour, you can re-roll it once. A miss due to poor attack roll is not affected.

[CBDunkerson]

When a creature has concealment you roll percentile dice to see if you can attack them at all. If you roll 20% or less then you automatically miss before even attempting the normal d20 roll to hit.

Elven Accuracy changes this so that if you roll 20% or less you get to roll again and only miss if you roll 20% or less on the second attempt as well... basically, only a 4% (.2 * .2) chance of missing.

Improved Precise Shot changes it so that you don't have to make the 20% miss chance roll at all. 0% chance of missing.

Note that neither of these feats modify the 50% chance of missing if the target has TOTAL concealment.

In any case, you then still have to roll d20 and beat their AC to actually hit the target.

[Ashram]

CBDunkerson wrote:

When a creature has concealment you roll percentile dice to see if you can attack them at all. If you roll 20% or less then you automatically miss before even attempting the normal d20 roll to hit.

Elven Accuracy changes this so that if you roll 20% or less you get to roll again and only miss if you roll 20% or less on the second attempt as well... basically, only a 4% (.2 * .2) chance of missing.

Improved Precise Shot changes it so that you don't have to make the 20% miss chance roll at all. 0% chance of missing.

Note that neither of these feats modify the 50% chance of missing if the target has TOTAL concealment.

In any case, you then still have to roll d20 and beat their AC to actually hit the target.

Huh, I always thought this was the other way around, where you roll your attack first and then roll percentile dice to see if the enemy's concealment affected your aim.

[Yorkblack]

Okay, that's pretty much what I thought, but I don't know it seemed strange to me. So IPS is still far better, that's good to know. Thanks guys !

[Lady-J]

Ashram wrote:

CBDunkerson wrote:

When a creature has concealment you roll percentile dice to see if you can attack them at all. If you roll 20% or less then you automatically miss before even attempting the normal d20 roll to hit.

Elven Accuracy changes this so that if you roll 20% or less you get to roll again and only miss if you roll 20% or less on the second attempt as well... basically, only a 4% (.2 * .2) chance of missing.

Improved Precise Shot changes it so that you don't have to make the 20% miss chance roll at all. 0% chance of missing.

Note that neither of these feats modify the 50% chance of missing if the target has TOTAL concealment.

In any case, you then still have to roll d20 and beat their AC to actually hit the target.

Huh, I always thought this was the other way around, where you roll your attack first and then roll percentile dice to see if the enemy's concealment affected your aim.

doesn't really matter which one gets rolled 1st but if you roll for concealment 1st and find out you missed due to concealment you just save yourself from rolling more than you have to

[Gisher]

The benefits against cover would make Improved Precise Shot massively better than Elven Accuracy even if Elven Accuracy were better than IPS against concealment.