Sorcerer bloodline familiar and Witch patron familiar ?

[Metux]

Hello there :)

I am working on many builds right now and one of them implies a sorcerer dip && full level witch.

Bloodline familiar
Patron familiars

So what happens when I go this way:

- Cross-blooded Orc-Draconic Sorcerer 1
I can replace the first level bloodline power by a bloodline familiar.
Let's say go Draconic one, to grant my familiar Dragon's Flight (Ex)

- Invoker Medium Witch
Choosing the Element patron, thus getting an Element patron base familiar getting it a new power called Elemental Touch (Su), but delaying by one level the patron spells.

So at this point what happens?

Do I have 2 seperate familiars?
=> Sorcerer one stay at lv 1 and Witch one raises with Witch level?
=> Sorcerer and Witch levels up together?
=> Do I choose 2 familiar bonus? (eg +4init and +2 will save)

Do I have 1 familiar only?
=> Let's say the first acquired one, thus raising at stacked level, do the familiar get both powers (draconic + elemental) ?
=> If I keep the first one, will it then being used as spellbook for the witch spellcasting?

What about Familiar archetypes on top of those questions?

I am so lost here, any help will be really appreciated :)

Thanks

[Melkiador]

All of those options stack into one familiar. And the familiar has both added abilities. None of the options take away a familiar ability, so the familiar can have an archetype too.

[Metux]

Melkiador wrote:

All of those options stack into one familiar. And the familiar has both added abilities. None of the options take away a familiar ability, so the familiar can have an archetype too.

Thank you so much !

It s really fine that it works like that and way easier for the RP and the technical mechenics to just keep the same familiar.

[Melkiador]

Now, if you do want to get into weird territory, try mixing in a tumor or wasp familiar. Stacking with those can get a little more questionable.

[Metux]

Another question, if I take the wizard VMC (evocation) in order to get extra spell damage and admixture at lv 7. WHat happens with he familiar I get at 3rd level?
It says, it scales at full level:

Quote:

Familiar: At 3rd level, he gains a familiar, treating his character level as his effective wizard level.

Des my familiar now get 2levels every time I get 1lv after 3rd?

[CBDunkerson]

Metux wrote:

Another question, if I take the wizard VMC (evocation) in order to get extra spell damage and admixture at lv 7. WHat happens with he familiar I get at 3rd level?

It says, it scales at full level:

Quote:

Familiar: At 3rd level, he gains a familiar, treating his character level as his effective wizard level.

Des my familiar now get 2levels every time I get 1lv after 3rd?

The general consensus is that all such methods of getting 'double levels' fall under the 'same source' rule and do not stack. That is, you cannot stack a level with that same level even if you have two different abilities telling you to do so.

[Metux]

And can I not choose to have a 2nd familiar ?

[Melkiador]

You aren't generally supposed to be able to have more than one familiar. A few familiars play by weird rules though, like the tumor Familiar.