I have a level 3 arcanist, Int 18, Wis 12, Chr 15 UMD +10
He has a scroll of Fabricate made by an Inquisitor. The CL is 7, the spell level is 3 (His god grants early access as a bonus spell)
I follow a different god, but my alignment would allow me to be a priest of his god
What rolls would I need to make to cast the scroll, assuming I am in my inn room, a fairly quiet place to work
Dc27 UMD check. 20+CL of scroll. Divine scroll so it doesn't matter about overlapping spell list. Same alignment never plays into scroll use. Probably should wait until your umd gets better. Also flagged as rules question.
Could I use "Take 20" on it?
You CANNOT take a 20 on the Use Magic Device skill.
Are these home-brew circumstances that this Inquisitor can cast Fabricate as a 3rd level spell? I only see it as a 5th elvel spell - including getting it from the Artifice and Wood Domains.
To answer your question: while random scrolls found as treasure, or generic scrolls bought in a shop have defaulted Caster Levels (CL's), custom-made scrolls do not. Activating a scroll is a UMD check of 20+CL. If the scroll has a CL of 7 - regardless of how the maker of the scroll made that possible - your UMD check must be at least a 27.
alignment or deity only come into effect if the magic item (or spell within) specifically requires those things. Fabricate has no Alignment caveats, so as long as this isn't some home-brewed, special scroll, which can sense if the user isn't who it's supposed to be, you're just using the default rules, which, as above, is 20+CL = 27. If you do need to emulate a specific Alignment, the UMD check is 30, which is a separate check from actually activating the scroll. There's nothing listed in the UMD skill to pretend to worship a deity, but you can emulate a Class Feature as a separate check. You count as _____ Class of [check - 20] level, which could make the scroll think you're an Inquisitor, which is as close as I can think.
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(1) Decipher the scroll, probably by casting read magic, but possibly via a DC 23 (20 + spell level) Spellcraft check (or even a DC 28 (25 + spell level) UMD check). Since the Spellcraft check has no consequence for failure you can take 20 on it and auto-succeed with your Int alone (assuming you have at least 1 rank in Spellcraft, otherwise you can't try at all).
(2) Check arcane vs divine. It's a divine spell and you are an arcane caster, so you'll have to UMD having it (DC 20 + caster level = 27). You cannot take 10 or 20 on this roll, and if you roll a 1 and fail (which you would) you cannot try again for 24 hours.
(3) Check spell list---skip this step since you folded it into #2.
(4) Check the relevant casting stat---Wisdom for a divine spell---it needs to be 10 + spell level. Yours isn't, so you'll have to make a separate UMD roll for that. Your effective stat is your roll minus 15, you need a 13, so you need to roll a 28. Again, you cannot take 10 or 20 and if you fail on a 1 you cannot try again for 24 hours, at which point you must start over at #2 (you do not need to re-decipher).
(5) Check your caster level vs the scroll's. Yours is less, so you need another UMD roll to fake it, DC 20 + CL = 27. Same notes on 10 and 20 and 1s. If you fail on this step you may have a mishap. DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid it with a natural 1 always failing. If you fail and have a mishap ask your GM what happens.
(6) Profit!
You CANNOT take a 20 on the Use Magic Device skill.
Are these home-brew circumstances that this Inquisitor can cast Fabricate as a 3rd level spell? I only see it as a 5th elvel spell - including getting it from the Artifice and Wood Domains.
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The god in question of the Inquisitor is Torag, who gives his inquisitors (and paladins) the spell as a level 3 spell (Clerics level 5)
The god in question of the Inquisitor is Torag, who gives his inquisitors (and paladins) the spell as a level 3 spell (Clerics level 5)You CANNOT take a 20 on the Use Magic Device skill.
Are these home-brew circumstances that this Inquisitor can cast Fabricate as a 3rd level spell? I only see it as a 5th elvel spell - including getting it from the Artifice and Wood Domains.
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Cuup, it's not homebrew, it's from Inner Sea Gods. All the gods get some variant spellcasting bits like that.
Cuup, it's not homebrew, it's from Inner Sea Gods. All the gods get some variant spellcasting bits like that.The god in question of the Inquisitor is Torag, who gives his inquisitors (and paladins) the spell as a level 3 spell (Clerics level 5)You CANNOT take a 20 on the Use Magic Device skill.
Are these home-brew circumstances that this Inquisitor can cast Fabricate as a 3rd level spell? I only see it as a 5th elvel spell - including getting it from the Artifice and Wood Domains.
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Ah, I see. I'm unfamiliar with just about anything Inner Sea- or Golarion-based. Also, very concise step-by-step instructions, I was unaware that you needed to match a caster stat when using a Scroll.
(1) Decipher the scroll, probably by casting read magic, but possibly via a DC 23 (20 + spell level) Spellcraft check (or even a DC 28 (25 + spell level) UMD check). Since the Spellcraft check has no consequence for failure you can take 20 on it and auto-succeed with your Int alone (assuming you have at least 1 rank in Spellcraft, otherwise you can't try at all).
(2) Check arcane vs divine. It's a divine spell and you are an arcane caster, so you'll have to UMD having it (DC 20 + caster level = 27). You cannot take 10 or 20 on this roll, and if you roll a 1 and fail (which you would) you cannot try again for 24 hours.
(3) Check spell list---skip this step since you folded it into #2.
(4) Check the relevant casting stat---Wisdom for a divine spell---it needs to be 10 + spell level. Yours isn't, so you'll have to make a separate UMD roll for that. Your effective stat is your roll minus 15, you need a 13, so you need to roll a 28. Again, you cannot take 10 or 20 and if you fail on a 1 you cannot try again for 24 hours, at which point you must start over at #2 (you do not need to re-decipher).
(5) Check your caster level vs the scroll's. Yours is less, so you need another UMD roll to fake it, DC 20 + CL = 27. Same notes on 10 and 20 and 1s. If you fail on this step you may have a mishap. DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid it with a natural 1 always failing. If you fail and have a mishap ask your GM what happens.
(6) Profit!
Step 5 is not necessary. When you activate scroll with UMD skill you are simply using it on a successful roll, your caster level (if any) is completely irrelevant. The need to "beat" scroll CL is already included in the way UMD calculates use scroll check DC.
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Oh, one other thing. You can write a scroll at any CL no greater than your own as long as it's high enough to have the spell. That means this inquisitor could have written it at CL 5, making it easier for you to make the rolls. Ask your GM which he did.
That also reduces the range & volume of the spell, but IIRC you're just making a staff so you don't need much of either.
Step 5 is not necessary. When you activate scroll with UMD skill you are simply using it on a successful roll, your caster level (if any) is completely irrelevant. The need to "beat" scroll CL is already included in the way UMD calculates use scroll check DC.(1) Decipher the scroll, probably by casting read magic, but possibly via a DC 23 (20 + spell level) Spellcraft check (or even a DC 28 (25 + spell level) UMD check). Since the Spellcraft check has no consequence for failure you can take 20 on it and auto-succeed with your Int alone (assuming you have at least 1 rank in Spellcraft, otherwise you can't try at all).
(2) Check arcane vs divine. It's a divine spell and you are an arcane caster, so you'll have to UMD having it (DC 20 + caster level = 27). You cannot take 10 or 20 on this roll, and if you roll a 1 and fail (which you would) you cannot try again for 24 hours.
(3) Check spell list---skip this step since you folded it into #2.
(4) Check the relevant casting stat---Wisdom for a divine spell---it needs to be 10 + spell level. Yours isn't, so you'll have to make a separate UMD roll for that. Your effective stat is your roll minus 15, you need a 13, so you need to roll a 28. Again, you cannot take 10 or 20 and if you fail on a 1 you cannot try again for 24 hours, at which point you must start over at #2 (you do not need to re-decipher).
(5) Check your caster level vs the scroll's. Yours is less, so you need another UMD roll to fake it, DC 20 + CL = 27. Same notes on 10 and 20 and 1s. If you fail on this step you may have a mishap. DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid it with a natural 1 always failing. If you fail and have a mishap ask your GM what happens.
(6) Profit!
Makes sense to me! So if you UMD a scroll you don't need to worry about mishaps? That's good to know.
Oh, one other thing. You can write a scroll at any CL no greater than your own as long as it's high enough to have the spell. That means this inquisitor could have written it at CL 5, making it easier for you to make the rolls. Ask your GM which he did.
That also reduces the range & volume of the spell, but IIRC you're just making a staff so you don't need much of either.
Double checking, as the inquisitor is only able to cast level spells after level 7
Oh, one other thing. You can write a scroll at any CL no greater than your own as long as it's high enough to have the spell. That means this inquisitor could have written it at CL 5, making it easier for you to make the rolls. Ask your GM which he did.
That also reduces the range & volume of the spell, but IIRC you're just making a staff so you don't need much of either.
Wrong. He has to make it at the minimum caster level for him to be able to cast the spell. For inquisitors that means CL7 for a 3rd lv spell
D'oh, I failed to look up the inquisitor spells table.
If the scroll was made by a paladin would the alignment element come into play and would the characteristic change
No. Alignment has no factor on umd for scrolls. Period
For UMD alignment only matters when trying to avoid or gain an effect from an item that specifically affects those of a certain alignment. IE a good wizard trying to wear black robes of the archmage or an anti paladin attempting to use a holy weapon