Antimagic Field and Alchemist's Mutagen


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All right, this came up last night while we were having our post-Grand Lodge beers at the local pizza place. In the scenario I just ran, you have the potential to fight something that has wings and can throw up an antimagic field as a spell-like ability. One of the other GMs said, oh, that fight wasn't that bad, I killed that thing with my alchemist and his claw/claw/bite/wings mutagen. I pointed out that you couldn't get within ten feet of the critter in question, the antimagic field would get suppress his wings every time he got close. He countered and said that wings from a mutagen aren't affected by antimagic field.

This morning, being a gigantic nerd, I dug up this definition from the rules:

Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like. Supernatural abilities are not subject to spell resistance and do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). A supernatural ability's effect cannot be dispelled and is not subject to counterspells. See Table: Special Ability Types for a summary of the types of special abilities.

Mutagens, according to the book, are Supernatural abilities:

Mutagen (Su): At 1st level, an alchemist discovers how to create a mutagen that he can imbibe in order to heighten his physical prowess at the cost of his personality.

I can kinda see his point of view, but I think the rules are clear: no mutagen abilities (including wings) inside an antimagic field.

What do you guys think?


Sorry Icarus, it's a long way down.


You're right.

Dark Archive

There's a reason gunslinger's abilities are all (Ex) instead of (Su)...

The Exchange

No SU works, so you are correct. Antimagic is tricky and a pain on the fly with pathfinder, cause lots of items and buffs.

Sovereign Court

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Note that the alchemist's wings discovery is Ex, so that would have worked.

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