Slashing / fencing grace+swordsman flair. don't work together?

[Wind_Paladin]

hello, quick question.
it's typical for a swashbuckler to take slashing grace or fencing grace. its also typical for a swashbuckler to buy a swordsman flair. but here's the problem, swordsman flair needs to be grasped in hand to use it. but S/F grace needs a empty hand to function. so by RAW you either can't benefit from Swordsman flair or S/F grace. it seems they should work together since both were "originally" made for swashbucklers. is this just a over sight or what? has it been errata?

[Gisher]

It has been FAQ'd. Swordmaster's Flair will work with both Slashing Grace and Fencing Grace.

FAQ wrote:

Slashing Grace: In the 2nd printing errata, what exactly does it mean that “You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied?” Can I use a shield? What about a buckler? Can I use flurry of blows? Brawler’s flurry? Two-weapon fighting? Spell combat? Attack with natural weapons? What if I throw the weapon? What about swordmaster’s flair?

Slashing Grace does not allow most shields, but bucklers work because they don’t occupy the hand. Flurry of blows, brawler’s flurry, two-weapon fighting, and spell combat all don’t work with Slashing Grace. Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work. Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. Swordmaster’s flair should have a sentence added to it that says “Carrying a swordmaster’s flair counts as having that hand free for the purpose of abilities that require a free hand, though you still can’t hold another object in that hand.”

[Wind_Paladin]

Gisher wrote:

It has been FAQ'd. Swordmaster's Flair will work with both Slashing Grace and Fencing Grace.

FAQ wrote:

Slashing Grace: In the 2nd printing errata, what exactly does it mean that “You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied?” Can I use a shield? What about a buckler? Can I use flurry of blows? Brawler’s flurry? Two-weapon fighting? Spell combat? Attack with natural weapons? What if I throw the weapon? What about swordmaster’s flair?

Slashing Grace does not allow most shields, but bucklers work because they don’t occupy the hand. Flurry of blows, brawler’s flurry, two-weapon fighting, and spell combat all don’t work with Slashing Grace. Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work. Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. Swordmaster’s flair should have a sentence added to it that says “Carrying a swordmaster’s flair counts as having that hand free for the purpose of abilities that require a free hand, though you still can’t hold another object in that hand.”

cool! thanks for the info. i couldn't seem to find a FAQ or any other forum that stated that.

[Nefreet]

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