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Hello! Is there a way to get my cleric's touch attack higher? Something like the "guided hand" feat that applies to spells?
Up to now I have:
Cleric, LN
god: Asmodeus
race: Vishkanya (so he can also use blowguns, kukri and shuriken)
domains: trickery (not decided on the second one)
feats: I'm definitely getting spring attack.
stats: str 10, dex 16, con 12, int 10, wis 19, cha 10
Weapon Finesse. Weapon Focus (touch attack). Greater Weapon Focus (touch attack) and so forth...
Weapon Finesse.
But that would apply to when I'm using a weapon, not to when I'm casting a touch spell... or am I getting something wrong here?
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Weapon Finesse.But that would apply to when I'm using a weapon, not to when I'm casting a touch spell... or am I getting something wrong here?
Melee touch attacks are treated as light weapons for the purposes of weapon finesse. Unless your GM vehemently objects. But if unarmed strike is finesseable, slapping someone with a held charge should be too.
(E.g., consider the will-o'-wisp with a +6 BAB, 29 Dex, +1 for being Small, and a total +16 melee touch attack).
Melee touch attacks are treated as light weapons for the purposes of weapon finesse. Unless your GM vehemently objects. But if unarmed strike is finesseable, slapping someone with a held charge should be too.Weapon Finesse.But that would apply to when I'm using a weapon, not to when I'm casting a touch spell... or am I getting something wrong here?
Thanks, that's helpful. I'll look into it :)
Thanks, that's helpful. I'll look into it :)Melee touch attacks are treated as light weapons for the purposes of weapon finesse. Unless your GM vehemently objects. But if unarmed strike is finesseable, slapping someone with a held charge should be too.Weapon Finesse.But that would apply to when I'm using a weapon, not to when I'm casting a touch spell... or am I getting something wrong here?
So if I do go that way, is there any reason to keep Str at 10 and Dex at 16? Could take Str down to 8 and up Dex to 18 (it costs the same as per our dm)
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Str does not help fort saves (that is constitution). It does help with wearing heavy armor, carrying things, climbing, and swimming.
Check your encumberance table and the armor you want to wear's weight. If it is close you might want to keep str above 8. There are items and long duration spells if that helps you decide. Being medium encumbered reduces your dex bonus to AC to a maximum of 2.
A regular chain shirt is 25 pounds. A heavy wooden shield is 10 pounds. You can wear lighter armor until you can improve your carrying capacity (items/spells) or mithril armor.
Str 8 light load 26 pounds
Str 9 light load 30
Str 10 light load 33
Str 11 light load 38
Str does not help fort saves (that is constitution). It does help with wearing heavy armor, carrying things, climbing, and swimming.
Check your encumberance table and the armor you want to wear's weight. If it is close you might want to keep str above 8. There are items and long duration spells if that helps you decide.
Str 8 light load 26 pounds
Str 9 light load 30
Str 10 light load 33
Str 11 light load 38
Realized that str doesn't help with for after I posted. Ooops.
So I could get chain shirt 25 pounds that has a max dex bonus of +4, Ant Haul for my backpack (or offload it to the half-orc barb I understand will be in the party).
And still have a problem with climb and swim checks, which my previous lg-cleric-healbot solved by casting Angelic Aspect... which this guy can not... :(
So after a making a mess, and confusing the rules a few times, I've come up with this:
Race
Vishkanya
Abilities
Str 8, Dex 18, Con 10, Wis 19, Int 10, Cha 10
Weapons
Longspear, spiked gauntlets
Armour
Leather
Feats
1 Weapon Finesse
3 Dodge
5 Reach Spell
7 Leadership
9 Mobility
11 Combat Casting
13 Spring Attack
15 Persistent Spell
17 Bouncing Spell
19 Toughness or Spell Focus
Domains
Fire
Trickery
Traits
Deft Dodger
Orphan
Can change the feats (except for weapon finesse and leadership which I want for rp reasons) and the weapons, but nothing else at this point.
i was thinking on :
chaos + madness & guided hand + conductive weapon.
use ONLY wisdom and charisma (with CON 14).another option is full plate + STR of 14 (min for melee when no powers or spells ).
another weird one, is evangalist with madness domain.
bard boost + bad touch is a wonderful combo.
Thanks, but we've already started playing, so I can only change weapons or feats. He's a LN Asmodean, so the madness domain -even though I really love it- isn't an option. I'll look into conductive weapons :)
Spring attack does nothing for you.
Thanks will take Spell Focus instead.
Flanking adds +2, Outflank makes that +4, if you can convince your allies to take it, too. Touching from Stealth/Invisibility makes them flat-footed. You could get a +X Amulet of Mighty Fists, which adds X to your attacks, but that's rather expensive and a valuable item slot. You're far better of with a conductive weapon. A conductive whip is pretty cool for the massive reach, but you'd need proficiency.
Flanking adds +2, Outflank makes that +4, if you can convince your allies to take it, too. Touching from Stealth/Invisibility makes them flat-footed. You could get a +X Amulet of Mighty Fists, which adds X to your attacks, but that's rather expensive and a valuable item slot. You're far better of with a conductive weapon. A conductive whip is pretty cool for the massive reach, but you'd need proficiency.
Outflank seems great if they agree to it.
A conductive weapon though seems a bit like a waste, the only thing I can use it with is Fire Bolt (1d6+LVL), so I'll be expending two uses just for the added weapon damage which with Str 8 is really sad.
So now I got...
Race
Vishkanya
Abilities
Str 8, Dex 18, Con 10, Wis 19, Int 10, Cha 10
Weapons
Longspear, spiked gauntlets
Armour
Leather
Feats
1 Weapon Finesse
3 Dodge
5 Reach Spell
7 Leadership
9 Mobility
11 Combat Casting
13 Spell Focus (I'll decide depending on what I'm using)
15 Persistent Spell
17 Bouncing Spell
19 Toughness or Outflank
Domains
Fire
Trickery
Traits
Deft Dodger
Orphan
Note: Not taking racial feats (sleep venom) because he thinks he's human... more or less.
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Flanking adds +2, Outflank makes that +4, if you can convince your allies to take it, too. Touching from Stealth/Invisibility makes them flat-footed. You could get a +X Amulet of Mighty Fists, which adds X to your attacks, but that's rather expensive and a valuable item slot. You're far better of with a conductive weapon. A conductive whip is pretty cool for the massive reach, but you'd need proficiency.Outflank seems great if they agree to it.
A conductive weapon though seems a bit like a waste, the only thing I can use it with is Fire Bolt (1d6+LVL), so I'll be expending two uses just for the added weapon damage which with Str 8 is really sad.
you can make touch attacks with a weapon, too. And if it's light, you can even use Weapon Finesse on it. Bad Touch clerics usually have domain powers supporting the theme, some like Madness have been suggested. For your god, Law with the Devil subdomain might be a good choice. -2 to saves is nothing to sneeze about.
you can make touch attacks with a weapon, too. And if it's light, you can even use Weapon Finesse on it. Bad Touch clerics usually have domain powers supporting the theme, some like Madness have been suggested. For your god, Law with the Devil subdomain might be a good choice. -2 to saves is nothing to sneeze about.
Could you clarify that, please? If I hit with my light mace, I cannot deliver a touch spell too in the same round, can I?
Devil subdomain seems nice if the DM won't kill me. I already changed my domain once, I made a mistake and got Daemon, and I thought I couldn't get Devil either cause it's marked [evil].