Dwarf Blooded (Oread) members of Dwarf race? Stone Lord archetype


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Can Oreads take the Dwarf Blooded (Oread) feat and be considered members of the Dwarf race for purposes or racial specific archetypes? Specifically, can a Dwarf Blooded (Oread) use the Stone Lord archetype?

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I don't think so. It only gives you slow and steady and stonecunning racial traits.

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"Dwarf Blooded (Oread)
You have dwarven blood coursing through your veins.

Prerequisites: Oread.

Benefit: Your dwarven heritage manifests in two ways. First, your speed is never modified by armor or encumbrance, as the dwarf slow and steady racial trait. Second, you gain the stonecunning dwarf racial trait."


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The only way I know of for you to have an Oread take a Dwarven archetype is to take the Nearly Human alternate racial feature and then select Racial Heritage (Dwarf) as your initial feat.

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TritonOne wrote:
Can Oreads take the Dwarf Blooded (Oread) feat and be considered members of the Dwarf race for purposes or racial specific archetypes? Specifically, can a Dwarf Blooded (Oread) use the Stone Lord archetype?

Most material from the ARG is restricted to the members of that race only, so you can't take the stonelord archetype as an Oread.

5/5 *** Venture-Agent, Netherlands—Utrecht

I think you can't take certain archetypes through Racial Heritage. I can't remember it clearly, but it's in the way the Additional Resources are worded that the ARG forbids anyone not of that race from qualifying for anything from that race.
Ah, found something about it.
And mainly, this post.

Through a certain wording, racial archetypes from the ARG belong to that race only. Things outside the ARG are up for grabs, though. I had to look this up when I wanted to make a Half-Elven Treesinger Druid.

Also, Racial Heritage doesn't do what most people think it does. I don't understand it completely, but as far as I know, the feat only allows you to take another race's favored class bonuses in PFS. Which isn't a whole lot.

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This is one case where I wish they would make an exception. Stone Lord archetype would fit an Oread so beautifully!

Hmm

PS What would happen if you started out as dwarven stone lord paladin, and got hit with a certain chronicle boon that made you an Oread? Would you lose your archetype? Sadly, by the rules I think you would.

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Yes, I think so. I know the boon you're talking about, and since you lose your race, you suddenly don't qualify anymore for the archetype. It's like you have an Ioun Stone that gives you +2 STR, bumping your STR from 12 to 14. You can then theoretically take Power Attack as a feat, but as soon as you lose that Ioun Stone for some reason, you lose the benefit of the feat until you regain it. That's easily done in this case, but regaining a race is more complicated.

Still, I agree. Oreads get that tasty +2 STR, which is something most Paladins want. I wanted to make a Stonelord, but the stats simply didn't work out well enough.

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It's not just the +2 Strength, though that would be nice to have! It's that it fits thematically. All the powers. The earth elemental companion. They just all fit so well with an oread race.

I feel the same way about the Paladin redeemer archetype and tieflings.

Ah well. Those are ideas for a future home game. Or maybe a module in campaign mode...

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I have a lot of issues with the ARG's race-locking of content from a thematic perspective, both because of specific examples (such as those laid out by Hmm above) and because some just don't make sense to be race-locked.

"Only half-orc paladins can be redeemers" is... pretty sad. Especially since there's nothing about it that's half-orc specific, either mechanically or culturally. It's very frustrating.

(This issue came up on a product I worked on recently. Ask me again in a couple months...)

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

This is one case where I wish they would make an exception. Stone Lord archetype would fit an Oread so beautifully!

Hmm

PS What would happen if you started out as dwarven stone lord paladin, and got hit with a certain chronicle boon that made you an Oread? Would you lose your archetype? Sadly, by the rules I think you would.

In theory with one level of kinetics yes because with the third option you retain your race.

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